The statement was made during last night's national TV coverage of the
Boston Red Sox--
Los Angeles Dogers game.

Joe Morgan, a hall of fame second baseman was discussing Izturis with his
colleague Jon Miller. Joe is a baseball mind that one has to respect.

What he said would mean that Izturis is head and shoulders above all of the
Jays' middle
infielders: Chris Woodward, Gomez, Menechino, Berg, Hinske (poor arm) and
even Orlando Hudson. Yet Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi gave Izturis and Paul
Quantrill
to L.A. for what has turned out to be crap.

Izturis is the kind of talented player, a potential all-star, that the "new"
Blue Jays were
supposed to be building their future around. Ricciardi will never be able to
live this mistake
down. How could the Jays' organization, through which Izturis passed from A
ball to AAA
Syracuse, have been such a poor judge of baseball talent.

Two other excellent middle infield prospects under Gord Ash,
Michael Young and Miguel Cairo (now a Yankee)
were traded away and replaced with old, veteran, second-tier inflieders who
have been
counter productive to Jays' rebuilding.

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Boston Red Sox--
colleague Jon Miller.

Okay, but Morgan's also said a lot of odd things over the years.

Per ESPN, Izturis is 16th out of 26 SS in RF. He's better for ZR, 7th
out of 26. He's not bad, but nothing there to make me think he's the best.

the Jays' middle
Quantrill

He traded for a young pitcher. Young pitchers - and old pitchers - get
hurt.

"new" Blue Jays were
to live this mistake
A ball to AAA

With the bat he has a career .258/.284/.332 line. While he's hit
..314/.348/.393 this year, he's only drawn 13 walks, which puts him on a
somewhat better but still similarly poor pace as last year (25). And guys
with that poor plate discipline and that little power (2 HR in more than 250
PA) don't tend to hit .300 over the full year. It could happen, but it's
not likely.

Compare that to Woodward: a .255/.309/.417 career line. Not great, but
better than Izturis. This year, he's hitting .297/.350/.473 (though in
limited playing time). Outside of age, I don't really see a reason to
prefer Izturis to Woodward.

and Miguel Cairo (now a Yankee)
who have been

Young's worked out well for Texas - though he's something of a surprise.
But complaining about Cairo? Cairo's a 30-year old utility man with a
..271/.318/.363 career line, who's only gig as a regular was for the
expansion Devil Rays. And even they cut back his playing time significantly
after the first year. An old, veteran, second-tier infielder is exactly
what Cairo is.

Chris Johnston

If Izturis is that good why didn't he help the Dodgers to make the playoffs
last year?
Why didn't he help the Dodgers to come back and beat Pedro Martinez Sunday
night?
Not even AROD able to help the Rangers to get in the playoffs in the last
few years.
Izturis isn't even in the same class as Cal Ripken Jr.


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his
best.
and
Paul
get
able
from
250
but
Young
surprise.
significantly

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able
from
250
but

Don't be ridiculous. Izturis has twice the potential of Woodward.


This year, he's hitting .297/.350/.473 (though in

You have to be nuts.


Young
surprise.
significantly

He's not as old as Dave Berg, Gomez or Menechino and he's batting .299 with
3 stolen bases and 11 RBIs
in only 87 at bats. Ricciardi and Tosca's regular short stop Chris Woodward
has only 27
hits to Cairo's 34. Woodward has no stolen bases and just ten 10 RBIs to
Cairo's 11 with fewer at bats for Cairo.
I am not trying to maintain that Cairo is/was a great prospect, but he is a
better defensive infielder
than any on the present-day Jay team with the exception of Orlando Hudson.

Did you notice that Tampa Bay has had Jose Cruz, whom J.C. released, batting
clean up?
Jose has 28 RBIs, almost as many as Delgado, 8 homers, 3 triples and 10
doubles. He also
has more hits than Delgado, and a batting average about 20 points higher.
Cruz also has
6 stolen bases. How many has Carlos? Also I believe that last year Jose led
the NL outfielders
in assists.

Way to go, J.C.!

>Did you notice that Tampa Bay has had Jose Cruz, whom J.C. released, batting

Because of the declining market and the rules governing arbitration (a
team must offer at least 80% of a player's current salary), Cruz was
granted his free agency. Ricciardi didn't want to pay 80% of $4 or
whatever Cruz was making. He eventually signed with SF for something
like $1.5M and likely for similar money by TB.

There are reasons players are released, traded, non-tendered, etc.
What's the point about ranting about players that have left without
considering the context? Oh, I get it. It's to rant. Never mind.

Chuck

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