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Old 07-27-2006, 04:56 AM
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Not sure that works, the contract is exactly about the team... They do have a line in there about damages to the city that could not be compensated by money. That is why they might be able to get an injunction. I agree that the reality of a court ordering a company to stay and lose that kind of money to satisfy the intangible damages is iffy. But what comes after would be the real problem for the city. I doubt city hall has the will to go to battle when they can profit from negotiating a buy-out. Likely even Dan would wave goodbye if they offered him enough money.... The more I look at this the more it looks pretty clear that the IRONCLAD LEASE is really two separate items. The agreement with the city which if I understand correctly is where Paul Allen's personal risk is guaranteed. That means he pays off the city if he moves the club. Not the biggest obstacle in the world IMO because the actionable items that amount to damages are already defined.
They are unrelated to the $17m a year or whatever it is that the club pays to the Rose Garden.


Mostly. Less than 4 mil. for the city...the contract does name damages not compensable monetarily,
but that would be a fight the city likely would not want to pay for...

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The second piece is the Rose Garden lease which is huge. That would be where the Blazers declare bankruptcy and get out of it through re-organization. If that be the case the team is gone if they could get a much better deal elsewhere.


Eisily. Now they pay the big lease, do not get the luxary box revenue etc....
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Seems to me the best deal for the city would be to arrange partnership control of the Rose Garden thus eliminating the extreme rental fees and making the Blazers franchise solvent.


City is not interested in the RG and the owners want their 180 million that Allen owed before he
gave it to them in the settlement. The city has no interest in buying the RG and as far as I have
heard the Blazers have not asked them to broker a loan at better rates. If Allen had wanted the RG
he could have refinanced it himself.
When that happened I figured then he was seperating the team from the RG to eventually move out.
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Otherwise...I doubt a bankruptcy will force the Blazers to pay $510m to the RG trust.


The RG is already settled between the creditors and the Blazers.
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I doubt a court would force Paul Allen to hand over ownership to said trust. The very idea that such a bankruptcy would but Paul Allen's fortune in some kind of risk of being handed over to Portland is just completely silly. So...he has the leverage.


Depends on what is in the court settlement on the RG already. The bankruptcy of the team would be to
break the lease, it has nothing to do with the past debt. The creditors got the RG for that.
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I don't see a way that the city can force anything and come out winning in the end. The courts are not going to require the franchise owner to stay losing $30m a year or whatever it is if he can make his business profitable in a better area...especially given that the present arrangement isn't getting made better for him. That just..isn't the way courts work.


Agreed in the long run. They can make up any penalty with a better deal elsewhere. However they
might give the city a temporary injunction while it went though the courts, assuming the city
actually wanted to fight it that bad..... Minny got one on the Twins back when to keep them playing
their home games there for one season when the city masde no money off the team. It stood up on
apeal too. On the other hand Anaheim just sued the Angels over intagibles on the name which is in
the contract, were not able to get an injunction and lost in a jury trial.
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Dan is delusional.


Not as delusional as the sonic fans that think the Sonics are staying in Seattle....=)


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Old 07-27-2006, 06:12 AM
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Terraholm wrote:
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
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Terraholm wrote: Not sure that works, the contract is exactly about the team... They do have a line in there about damages to the city that could not be compensated by money. That is why they might be able to get an injunction. I agree that the reality of a court ordering a company to stay and lose that kind of money to satisfy the intangible damages is iffy. But what comes after would be the real problem for the city. I doubt city hall has the will to go to battle when they can profit from negotiating a buy-out. Likely even Dan would wave goodbye if they offered him enough money.... The more I look at this the more it looks pretty clear that the IRONCLAD LEASE is really two separate items. The agreement with the city which if I understand correctly is where Paul Allen's personal risk is guaranteed. That means he pays off the city if he moves the club. Not the biggest obstacle in the world IMO because the actionable items that amount to damages are already defined. They are unrelated to the $17m a year or whatever it is that the club pays to the Rose Garden.
Mostly. Less than 4 mil. for the city...the contract does name damages not compensable monetarily, but that would be a fight the city likely would not want to pay for...
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The second piece is the Rose Garden lease which is huge. That would be where the Blazers declare bankruptcy and get out of it through re-organization. If that be the case the team is gone if they could get a much better deal elsewhere.
Eisily. Now they pay the big lease, do not get the luxary box revenue etc....
Quote:
Seems to me the best deal for the city would be to arrange partnership control of the Rose Garden thus eliminating the extreme rental fees and making the Blazers franchise solvent.
City is not interested in the RG and the owners want their 180 million that Allen owed before he gave it to them in the settlement. The city has no interest in buying the RG and as far as I have heard the Blazers have not asked them to broker a loan at better rates. If Allen had wanted the RG he could have refinanced it himself. When that happened I figured then he was seperating the team from the RG to eventually move out.
Quote:
Otherwise...I doubt a bankruptcy will force the Blazers to pay $510m to the RG trust.
The RG is already settled between the creditors and the Blazers.
Quote:
I doubt a court would force Paul Allen to hand over ownership to said trust. The very idea that such a bankruptcy would but Paul Allen's fortune in some kind of risk of being handed over to Portland is just completely silly. So...he has the leverage.
Depends on what is in the court settlement on the RG already. The bankruptcy of the team would be to break the lease, it has nothing to do with the past debt. The creditors got the RG for that.
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I don't see a way that the city can force anything and come out winning in the end. The courts are not going to require the franchise owner to stay losing $30m a year or whatever it is if he can make his business profitable in a better area...especially given that the present arrangement isn't getting made better for him. That just..isn't the way courts work.
Agreed in the long run. They can make up any penalty with a better deal elsewhere. However they might give the city a temporary injunction while it went though the courts, assuming the city actually wanted to fight it that bad..... Minny got one on the Twins back when to keep them playing their home games there for one season when the city masde no money off the team. It stood up on apeal too. On the other hand Anaheim just sued the Angels over intagibles on the name which is in the contract, were not able to get an injunction and lost in a jury trial.
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Dan is delusional.
Not as delusional as the sonic fans that think the Sonics are staying in Seattle....=)


The consensus opinion seems to be almost universal that they are moving. I
do see very limited possibility of saving the Sonics but there isn't a lot
of time.
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Old 08-03-2006, 01:50 PM
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
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according to KJR Sports radio in Seattle Paul Allen has taken the Blazers off the market


NWCN this morning has a scroll that says the RG owners and the Blazers are going over the bids for
the team and RG.


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Old 08-03-2006, 03:03 PM
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Terraholm wrote:
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
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according to KJR Sports radio in Seattle Paul Allen has taken the Blazers off the market
NWCN this morning has a scroll that says the RG owners and the Blazers are going over the bids for the team and RG.


http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/o...8580.xml&coll=7

Blazer bosses start sizing up bids for team
Sale - Prospective buyers are from inside and outside the Portland area
Thursday, August 03, 2006
HELEN JUNG
Vulcan Inc., the Rose Garden arena's owners and their investment banker are reviewing a crop of bids
from prospective buyers of the Portland Trail Blazers.

The bids, which were due last week, include offers from inside and outside the Portland area,
according to multiple sources who declined to be identified.

The next step, the sources said, is for the team and building owners to meet with individual
bidders, exchange more detailed information and narrow down the list.

It's unclear how many groups placed bids or how fast a sale could take place. But as the sales
process progresses, the window for completing a deal before the start of the NBA season is closing
fast.

"The chances for new ownership and management to be able to implement anything meaningful in terms
of marketing or promotions about the repositioning of that franchise certainly won't happen this
year," said David Carter, principal of Sports Business Group in Redondo Beach, Calif.

Another open question: what price the team will fetch. The past five NBA team sales have fallen in
the $300 million to $400 million range. And last month, the owners of the Seattle SuperSonics
announced a deal to sell the team to an Oklahoma City group for $350 million. Although the group has
said it plans to keep the team in Seattle for now, some speculate the group will move the team to
Oklahoma City.

In some ways, the Sonics -- whose lease to play in Seattle's Key Arena expires in 2010 -- might seem
like a more valuable team than the Blazers, considering the Sonics' portability, said Jeff Phillips,
director of Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin investment bank. "If you have a franchise that is not
portable because of a long-term lease, it's not as attractive as one (that has) the ability to
move."

But many variables will drive the price, from how many buyers are interested to how deep the
short-term losses are expected to be. Teams expected to incur higher losses in the next few years
will likely fetch lower up-front sales prices, he said.

Still, others believe the Trail Blazers, which will be sold with the Rose Garden, offer a
prospective owner a better package than the Sonics -- provided the owner wants to keep the team in
Portland.

The arena is already built and has luxury suites and premium seating that offer money-making
opportunities. It's the only major-league franchise in Portland. And despite its losses, it's still
an attractive proposition to those who have already stated their interest in the team, including a
group led by former Blazer Terry Porter; another with Hollywood Video founder Mark Wattles; and
another with Broadcom Chairman Henry Samueli.


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Old 08-04-2006, 01:51 AM
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Terraholm wrote:
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Charles Beauchamp wrote:
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according to KJR Sports radio in Seattle Paul Allen has taken the Blazers off the market
NWCN this morning has a scroll that says the RG owners and the Blazers are going over the bids for the team and RG.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/o...8580.xml&coll=7 Blazer bosses start sizing up bids for team Sale - Prospective buyers are from inside and outside the Portland area Thursday, August 03, 2006 HELEN JUNG Vulcan Inc., the Rose Garden arena's owners and their investment banker are reviewing a crop of bids from prospective buyers of the Portland Trail Blazers. The bids, which were due last week, include offers from inside and outside the Portland area, according to multiple sources who declined to be identified. The next step, the sources said, is for the team and building owners to meet with individual bidders, exchange more detailed information and narrow down the list. It's unclear how many groups placed bids or how fast a sale could take place. But as the sales process progresses, the window for completing a deal before the start of the NBA season is closing fast. "The chances for new ownership and management to be able to implement anything meaningful in terms of marketing or promotions about the repositioning of that franchise certainly won't happen this year," said David Carter, principal of Sports Business Group in Redondo Beach, Calif. Another open question: what price the team will fetch. The past five NBA team sales have fallen in the $300 million to $400 million range. And last month, the owners of the Seattle SuperSonics announced a deal to sell the team to an Oklahoma City group for $350 million. Although the group has said it plans to keep the team in Seattle for now, some speculate the group will move the team to Oklahoma City. In some ways, the Sonics -- whose lease to play in Seattle's Key Arena expires in 2010 -- might seem like a more valuable team than the Blazers, considering the Sonics' portability, said Jeff Phillips, director of Houlihan Lokey Howard & Zukin investment bank. "If you have a franchise that is not portable because of a long-term lease, it's not as attractive as one (that has) the ability to move." But many variables will drive the price, from how many buyers are interested to how deep the short-term losses are expected to be. Teams expected to incur higher losses in the next few years will likely fetch lower up-front sales prices, he said. Still, others believe the Trail Blazers, which will be sold with the Rose Garden, offer a prospective owner a better package than the Sonics -- provided the owner wants to keep the team in Portland. The arena is already built and has luxury suites and premium seating that offer money-making opportunities. It's the only major-league franchise in Portland. And despite its losses, it's still an attractive proposition to those who have already stated their interest in the team, including a group led by former Blazer Terry Porter; another with Hollywood Video founder Mark Wattles; and another with Broadcom Chairman Henry Samueli.


And now they say Allen has decided to not sell. Shit.

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Old 08-04-2006, 02:56 AM
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Swillabrew wrote:
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And now they say Allen has decided to not sell. Shit. Go Blazers !


Better change your sig to 'stay blazers'....


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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4jehibF7o405U1@individual.net... And now they say Allen has decided to not sell. Shit. Go Blazers !
Better change your sig to 'stay blazers'....


How 'bout, "Go Blazers ! Go Away Paul" ? : )

Go Blazers !


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Old 08-04-2006, 02:39 PM
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Terraholm" <terraholm_SpamNata_@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4jehibF7o405U1@individual.net... And now they say Allen has decided to not sell. Shit. Go Blazers !
Better change your sig to 'stay blazers'....

I reckon the only question not answered is; will it be The OkayDoky Trail Or
the OakyDoky Boom as in Sonic? Either way I see Allen in Seattle by 2010
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Old 08-04-2006, 03:20 PM
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