Well done Stuart Pierce.

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08-27-2006, 12:56 PM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

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Chas wrote:> "The Web-editor" <mark@freightaid.co.uk> wrote>>> Therefore I think criticism of the referees who did not have the>> benefit of slowed down replays would be an over-reaction however bad>> the player has been injured.> I agree. Thatcher's back was to the referee (who was in the middle of> the pitch) and he raised his arm at the last moment. I am not surprised> that the ref missed it.>>> The only way this would have been spotted was with video evidence>> which I for one am loath to see creep into the game.> I don't understand your loathing. It would have taken 30 seconds for> the 4th official to review the evidence and radio to the referee. As is> generally the case, the injured player is on the ground for several> minutes anyway. It seems odd to me that the match officials have less> info at their disposal than some Joe sat at home watching Sky.>>> My loathing of TV incidents is the fast paced nature of the game. Is that 30 seconds per incident or would it be for specific incidents. If it is for fouls then it could soon mount up. Would it have been a stoppage for tv to assess wether Micah Richards handled, There were three handball claims during the game. What about for each penalty claim. Would it be a stoppage as soon as the claim is made or when the ball goes out of play and then brought back. If it is only for instances where a player claims injury this is supposed to be changing this season with trainers not being allowed onto the pitch unless the referee blows and assesses it is required. Usually over the course of a season some go for you and some go against you. I would much rather see the assistant referee done away with and have a system of 3 ref's on the pitch. One per sector so that two ref's could be looking at each incident at any one time. With the fast pace of the game linesman cannot keep up with the game and asking them to then be assistant referee's has never worked. I would get rid of them altogether. It is not their fault but they cannot look at 2 things at once. Along the line for offsides, along the edge for throw-ins and into the centre for fouls etc.

That's a very long post. I think I prefer ScoopeX's. More to the point LOL! <+|80)

what fucking post is that ?

I like all your fucking posts is what I meant to say

LOL!

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08-28-2006, 05:34 PM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

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"ZAL" <zal434343@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:0qRHg.65590$P02.34347@fe07.news.easynews.com. .. Every fucking post has to be a veiled or obvious attack, eh you obsessed gimp? Get over yourself ffs

Your obsession with me is getting a little worrying Diablos GayLord Stay away from me you weirdo freak

I'll make it easy for you, youw wierd twat.

Stay out of Ng's that have no interest to you apart from stalking the
posters that go in there.

oh and <plonk> There you go post away your feeble shite and your endless
posts about me, you no longer exist.

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08-29-2006, 08:20 PM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:48:26 GMT, The Web-editor <mark@freightaid.co.uk> wrote:

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Chas wrote:

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Therefore I think criticism of the referees who did not have the benefit of slowed down replays would be an over-reaction however bad the player has been injured.

I agree. Thatcher's back was to the referee (who was in the middle of the pitch) and he raised his arm at the last moment. I am not surprised that the ref missed it.

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The only way this would have been spotted was with video evidence which I for one am loath to see creep into the game.

I don't understand your loathing. It would have taken 30 seconds for the 4th official to review the evidence and radio to the referee. As is generally the case, the injured player is on the ground for several minutes anyway. It seems odd to me that the match officials have less info at their disposal than some Joe sat at home watching Sky.

My loathing of TV incidents is the fast paced nature of the game. Isthat 30 seconds per incident or would it be for specific incidents. Ifit is for fouls then it could soon mount up. Would it have been astoppage for tv to assess wether Micah Richards handled, There werethree handball claims during the game. What about for each penaltyclaim. Would it be a stoppage as soon as the claim is made or when theball goes out of play and then brought back.If it is only for instances where a player claims injury this issupposed to be changing this season with trainers not being allowed ontothe pitch unless the referee blows and assesses it is required.Usually over the course of a season some go for you and some go againstyou. I would much rather see the assistant referee done away with andhave a system of 3 ref's on the pitch. One per sector so that two ref'scould be looking at each incident at any one time. With the fast paceof the game linesman cannot keep up with the game and asking them tothen be assistant referee's has never worked. I would get rid of themaltogether. It is not their fault but they cannot look at 2 things atonce. Along the line for offsides, along the edge for throw-ins andinto the centre for fouls etc.

I am in favour of the ref or 4th official advising the ref on contentious
calls... Here's how I see it working:

If there is a call for a penalty (for example), and the manager of the team call
for a video review... If that manager is correct and the ref agrees that there
should be a penalty then there is a penalty. However if the ref decides upon
reviewing the video that there was no just penalty call, the challanging team
lose the right to one substitute...

This would limit any team just calling for video reviews for any old reason or
just to break up play or run down the clock, break up the tempo etc... If a
manager challanges 3 times and loses he has no right to make any subs.. And
even if a player comes off injured the team has to continue with just 10 players
etc..

No down side.... What say you?

Ray

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09-04-2006, 05:21 AM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:49:29 GMT, Chas wrote in
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But he did shit out by reacting to the media and their bleating.

In your biased opinion. I personally doubt Pearce gives a shit what the media say or don't say. The FACTS are that Pearce HAS done the right thing (despite it leaving the team with no fit left back) and the City fans have done the right thing too by roundly condemming Thatcher. There have been plenty of unsavoury incidents from other teams in the past and I can't recall condemnation from other managers or fans when these have happened. One player acted very badly, but the club and the fans have responded with integrity.

Why is my opinion biased? And what makes it any less worthwhile than
yours?

I don't know who you support Chas, but I'd hazard a wild guess at Man
City. In which case, surely it's your opinion that's biased.

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09-04-2006, 11:12 AM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

"Moog" <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:49:29 GMT, Chas wrote in

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But he did shit out by reacting to the media and their bleating.

I never said that your opinion was less worthwhile than mine. Yes, I am a
City supporter and yes of course I am biased. When it comes to club
football, everyone is biased. You made a statement about Pearce that you
presented as a fact, but in fact it was just your opinion, and was
completely unsubstantiated. That is why I wanted you to focus on the facts -
the events that had actually happened. I don't see what more Pearce, the
club or the fans (who were scathing in their criticism of Thatcher) could
have reasonably done under the circumstances.

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09-05-2006, 08:47 AM

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Well done Stuart Pierce.

On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 11:12:26 GMT, Chas wrote in
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"Moog" <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote

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On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:49:29 GMT, Chas wrote in

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"Moog" <efcmoog@gmail.com> wrote> But he did shit out by reacting to the media and their bleating. In your biased opinion. I personally doubt Pearce gives a shit what the media say or don't say. The FACTS are that Pearce HAS done the right thing (despite it leaving the team with no fit left back) and the City fans have done the right thing too by roundly condemming Thatcher. There have been plenty of unsavoury incidents from other teams in the past and I can't recall condemnation from other managers or fans when these have happened. One player acted very badly, but the club and the fans have responded with integrity.

I never said that your opinion was less worthwhile than mine.

But you did say it was "biased" when there is little reason for you to
think that.

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Yes, I am a City supporter and yes of course I am biased.

OK. That's that sorted then.

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When it comes to club football, everyone is biased. You made a statement about Pearce that you presented as a fact,

Incorrect. I was simply spewing my brains. Isn't that what usenet is
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but in fact it was just your opinion, and was completely unsubstantiated.

Why? My opinion is correct. It is wrong to castigate *any* player simply
because of a media witchhunt.

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That is why I wanted you to focus on the facts - the events that had actually happened.

I did. I saw a player make a bad challenge, even an unsporting one, but
to judge it on slow motion replays and react the way Pearce has seems
completely wrong to me. Eszpecially considering the comments that came
from him directly after the game. Do you remember those?

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I don't see what more Pearce, the club or the fans (who were scathing in their criticism of Thatcher) could have reasonably done under the circumstances.

Maybe they could simply have let the FA and the "powers that be" deal
with it. Isn't that the way it is supposed to work? If the FA cannot,
then why not?

I stand by my view that Pearce reacted simply because of the media
"overkill" on the challenge. The incident would not have been picked up
on had Mendez got straight up after the challenge. Similar challenges
occur week in, week out and are not the subject of such incredible over
reactions.

Do you understand me yet?

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