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Old 08-28-2006, 08:54 PM
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He had an 11-pitch AB against TB closer Seth McClung (who was hitting 100 on
the gun) before singling to start the winning rally. His August OPS is
1.095. He has failed to reach base in two games this month, while getting
on at least twice eleven times. He has 13 extra base hits in the month,
after totaling 15 for all of May, June and July. And he is 22 years old, so
he has plenty of time to improve.
He looks like the real thing-although it has been so long since the O's have
developed a legit power prospect my sight may be clouded. Even so, this is
a fun ride in an otherwise dismal season.


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Old 08-29-2006, 05:12 AM
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On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:54:15 -0400, "catfish"
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He had an 11-pitch AB against TB closer Seth McClung (who was hitting 100 onthe gun) before singling to start the winning rally. His August OPS is1.095. He has failed to reach base in two games this month, while gettingon at least twice eleven times. He has 13 extra base hits in the month,after totaling 15 for all of May, June and July. And he is 22 years old, sohe has plenty of time to improve.He looks like the real thing-although it has been so long since the O's havedeveloped a legit power prospect my sight may be clouded. Even so, this isa fun ride in an otherwise dismal season.


Note the new "Nick Markakis" promo on MASN.
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:31 PM
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catfish wrote:
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He had an 11-pitch AB against TB closer Seth McClung (who was hitting 100 on the gun) before singling to start the winning rally. His August OPS is 1.095. He has failed to reach base in two games this month, while getting on at least twice eleven times. He has 13 extra base hits in the month, after totaling 15 for all of May, June and July. And he is 22 years old, so he has plenty of time to improve. He looks like the real thing-although it has been so long since the O's have developed a legit power prospect my sight may be clouded. Even so, this is a fun ride in an otherwise dismal season.


He's second on the team in OBP, Slugging and OPS, behind Tejada in all
three. Looks to have a better batting eye then the undisciplined Tejada
even this early in his career.
Look at the BB's. Trails Tejada by only 2, 34 BB's to Tejada's 36
though Tejada has about 175 more PA's.
Hadn't realized Miguel was such a hacker. He needs to hit .300 to have
a league average OBP.

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Old 09-01-2006, 08:57 PM
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He's second on the team in OBP, Slugging and OPS, behind Tejada in all three. Looks to have a better batting eye then the undisciplined Tejada even this early in his career. Look at the BB's. Trails Tejada by only 2, 34 BB's to Tejada's 36 though Tejada has about 175 more PA's. Hadn't realized Miguel was such a hacker. He needs to hit .300 to have a league average OBP.


Tejada's walk rate has been all over the place in his career, but his OBP is
relatively constant. I'll speculate he's really good at attacking out of
the strike zone mistakes, so his walks get replaced with hits. Here are the
numbers:
Year PA H BB AVG OBP SLG H+W

1999 593 149 57 .251 .325 .427 206
2000 607 167 66 .275 .349 .479 233
2001 622 166 43 .267 .326 .476 209
2002 662 204 38 .308 .354 .508 242
2003 636 177 53 .278 .336 .472 230
2004 653 203 48 311 .360 .534 251
2005 654 199 40 304 .349 .515 239

His walk percentage is all over the board-ranging from a low of 5.7% to a
high of 10.9% of plate appearances. That is over a 50 point swing in the
OPS contribution from walks-but it does not show in his OPS. In fact the
standard deviation of his walk percentage is higher than the standard
deviation of his walks plus hits percentage-even though the median of the
walk percentage is about a fifth of the median of his walks plus hits
percentage.
Bottom line is he manages to get on base at a fairly steady rate-not the
sign of a lack of plate discipline. I think the numbers show he is taking
what the pitchers give him.


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Old 09-01-2006, 10:49 PM
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catfish wrote:
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Tejada's walk rate has been all over the place in his career, but his OBP is relatively constant. I'll speculate he's really good at attacking out of the strike zone mistakes, so his walks get replaced with hits. Here are the numbers: Year PA H BB AVG OBP SLG H+W 1999 593 149 57 .251 .325 .427 206 2000 607 167 66 .275 .349 .479 233 2001 622 166 43 .267 .326 .476 209 2002 662 204 38 .308 .354 .508 242 2003 636 177 53 .278 .336 .472 230 2004 653 203 48 311 .360 .534 251 2005 654 199 40 304 .349 .515 239 His walk percentage is all over the board-ranging from a low of 5.7% to a high of 10.9% of plate appearances. That is over a 50 point swing in the OPS contribution from walks-but it does not show in his OPS. In fact the standard deviation of his walk percentage is higher than the standard deviation of his walks plus hits percentage-even though the median of the walk percentage is about a fifth of the median of his walks plus hits percentage. Bottom line is he manages to get on base at a fairly steady rate-not the sign of a lack of plate discipline. I think the numbers show he is taking what the pitchers give him.


In the long run I still like a hitter along the lines of Markakis.
Tejada reminds me of Soriano or Clemente with power. 3000 hits or not
Roberto went up there hacking.
I'll still take a hitter who realizes he doesn't need to swing out of
the zone to knock in the man on third. Earl Weaver said that was the
hardest thing to teach any hitter.
To take a walk instead of trying to drive a bad pitch.
I think hitters like Soriano and Tejeda once they lose their superior
strength to drive pitches out of the zone will not be able to keep a
league average OBP.
Look at Clemente. 4 of the five years he failed to hit .300 he couldn't
get on base at the league average.
Tejada has been pretty much the same. This year even Soriano is at 55
walks.
If I owned the O's I'd give this guy his wish and trade him while he
still has value.

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Old 09-02-2006, 01:56 AM
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I don't know you or anyone else here for that matter, but if you owned the
O's I'd actually be excited to pay and go watch a game at The Yard again . .
.. . . . . .


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catfish wrote:
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Tejada's walk rate has been all over the place in his career, but his OBP is relatively constant. I'll speculate he's really good at attacking out of the strike zone mistakes, so his walks get replaced with hits. Here are the numbers: Year PA H BB AVG OBP SLG H+W 1999 593 149 57 .251 .325 .427 206 2000 607 167 66 .275 .349 .479 233 2001 622 166 43 .267 .326 .476 209 2002 662 204 38 .308 .354 .508 242 2003 636 177 53 .278 .336 .472 230 2004 653 203 48 311 .360 .534 251 2005 654 199 40 304 .349 .515 239 His walk percentage is all over the board-ranging from a low of 5.7% to a high of 10.9% of plate appearances. That is over a 50 point swing in the OPS contribution from walks-but it does not show in his OPS. In fact the standard deviation of his walk percentage is higher than the standard deviation of his walks plus hits percentage-even though the median of the walk percentage is about a fifth of the median of his walks plus hits percentage. Bottom line is he manages to get on base at a fairly steady rate-not the sign of a lack of plate discipline. I think the numbers show he is taking what the pitchers give him.
In the long run I still like a hitter along the lines of Markakis. Tejada reminds me of Soriano or Clemente with power. 3000 hits or not Roberto went up there hacking. I'll still take a hitter who realizes he doesn't need to swing out of the zone to knock in the man on third. Earl Weaver said that was the hardest thing to teach any hitter. To take a walk instead of trying to drive a bad pitch. I think hitters like Soriano and Tejeda once they lose their superior strength to drive pitches out of the zone will not be able to keep a league average OBP. Look at Clemente. 4 of the five years he failed to hit .300 he couldn't get on base at the league average. Tejada has been pretty much the same. This year even Soriano is at 55 walks. If I owned the O's I'd give this guy his wish and trade him while he still has value.



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In <1157150957.041731.70860@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.c om>, on 09/01/06
at 03:49 PM, "danfergis" <danfergis@netscape.net> said:

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In the long run I still like a hitter along the lines of Markakis. Tejadareminds me of Soriano or Clemente with power. 3000 hits or not Robertowent up there hacking.I'll still take a hitter who realizes he doesn't need to swing out of thezone to knock in the man on third. Earl Weaver said that was the hardestthing to teach any hitter.To take a walk instead of trying to drive a bad pitch.


If only Terry Crowley preached that disciplined approach instead of the
aggressiveness at the plate he favors.

During our last series with the Yankees, they had a team OBP of .364. We
had ONE hitter above that - Tejada at .381. Yet fans and media love
Crowley as hitting coach. He has that position for llfe.


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