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Old 09-07-2006, 04:32 AM
Keith Jones Keith Jones is offline
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"Dan Hosek" <none@nowhere.not> wrote in message
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barry wrote:
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:55:28 GMT, Dan Hosek <none@nowhere.not> wrote:
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Keith Jones wrote:> "barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:k9lrf2588nbqi24ml8un1tt1as8lf7obsb@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:35:52 -0600, "Keith Jones" <kejones1@cox.net>>> wrote: SNIP> Thanks, for the thorough explanation. I knew some of the info and

agree with
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> your explanation of the rest. I think coach Brown is making it very

clear
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> that if you don't play defense, you won't play major minutes. I agree

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> no head cases to destroy chemistry. Keeping the core of the team

intact I
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> think is a wise move. When you think back to the whirlwind of changes

that
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> have taken place at all levels since Lebron joined the team, it is

enough to
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> make your head spin. Continuity and familiarity should make us a

better
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> team.>> We have had a few lively discussions here (where is everyone else?). I

don't
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> know what ever led to the problems we had last year. I know some of my> negativity and predictions got under some people's skins. I had high> expectations. As it turned out, they actually exceeded my expectations

last
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> year. And I guess I felt you took some cheap shots at me. Anyway, it's

water
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> over the dam. Life's too short. I hold no grudges (I don't like Albert> Belle's Ghost). I have found you to be a very knowledgeable,

resourceful
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> and thoughtful participant who refuses to use capital letters.

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> don't let this go to your head, I can change my mind tomorrow. Just

kidding!
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> Here's to an upcoming season where my expectations are even higher and> hopefully, everything will click and we will have more to agree upon

than
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> disagree. Afterall, we're both displaced or misplaced Clevelanders

that
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> still kept our allegiance to Cleveland sports teams. Sorry. Was on vacation for a few days. I am optimistic for a good year also, and actually like the Wesley

move
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(provided he didn't instantly go over the hill) - he played very solid for Houston last year, with a defensive minded coach. the more i think about it the more i think it's an astute acquistion, he'll play enough to be an elder statesman and positive locker room infuence he's reputed to be. and he's poised to take minutes wherever he can get them: - as backup PG and being the 3pt threat in the role jones was hoped to fill - and maybe take gibson under his wing and help groom him for that role down the line; - at SG if hughes gets hurt and/or if brown suffers through rookie teething pains or gets hurt also;
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I don't think Ferry is done, but if he is, he didn't have a bad offseason. I think either Newble, Jackson, Pavlovic, or Jones (or some combination plus a second rounder for a second rounder) are on their

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out the door. Ferry will not give up a pick. He even picked up extra picks moving contracts last year (Mike Wilks). i'd love to see ferry move newble & jones but i don't see who we could do so without taking an overpriced player with a multi-year contract in return. the four guys in question have $11 mil out of this years cap, $7.5 mil in 2007 & 4.3 mil in 2008. that stings a bit but is still much better than being stuck with someone like a kenyon martin. Okay. Bizzarro thought. Do they use the amnesty rule on Snow? Oh, and the Nuggets just signed Reggie Evans to a 5 year deal. Who is running that nuthouse, and can I have his job?


Are you insane??????????????????????????????????
It is a qualification.


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Old 09-07-2006, 10:35 AM
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:51:35 GMT, Dan Hosek <none@nowhere.not> wrote:
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barry wrote:
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On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:55:28 GMT, Dan Hosek <none@nowhere.not> wrote:
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Keith Jones wrote:> "barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:k9lrf2588nbqi24ml8un1tt1as8lf7obsb@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:35:52 -0600, "Keith Jones" <kejones1@cox.net>>> wrote: SNIP> Thanks, for the thorough explanation. I knew some of the info and agree with> your explanation of the rest. I think coach Brown is making it very clear> that if you don't play defense, you won't play major minutes. I agree with> no head cases to destroy chemistry. Keeping the core of the team intact I> think is a wise move. When you think back to the whirlwind of changes that> have taken place at all levels since Lebron joined the team, it is enough to> make your head spin. Continuity and familiarity should make us a better> team.>> We have had a few lively discussions here (where is everyone else?). I don't> know what ever led to the problems we had last year. I know some of my> negativity and predictions got under some people's skins. I had high> expectations. As it turned out, they actually exceeded my expectations last> year. And I guess I felt you took some cheap shots at me. Anyway, it's water> over the dam. Life's too short. I hold no grudges (I don't like Albert> Belle's Ghost). I have found you to be a very knowledgeable, resourceful> and thoughtful participant who refuses to use capital letters. Anyway,> don't let this go to your head, I can change my mind tomorrow. Just kidding!> Here's to an upcoming season where my expectations are even higher and> hopefully, everything will click and we will have more to agree upon than> disagree. Afterall, we're both displaced or misplaced Clevelanders that> still kept our allegiance to Cleveland sports teams. Sorry. Was on vacation for a few days. I am optimistic for a good year also, and actually like the Wesley move (provided he didn't instantly go over the hill) - he played very solid for Houston last year, with a defensive minded coach.
the more i think about it the more i think it's an astute acquistion, he'll play enough to be an elder statesman and positive locker room infuence he's reputed to be. and he's poised to take minutes wherever he can get them: - as backup PG and being the 3pt threat in the role jones was hoped to fill - and maybe take gibson under his wing and help groom him for that role down the line; - at SG if hughes gets hurt and/or if brown suffers through rookie teething pains or gets hurt also;


more on wesley - excerpt from brian windhorst's blog:
(http://blogs.ohio.com/cavaliers_blog/)

UPDATE: After reading the blog, Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy wanted to
get his thoughts out on Wesley. He wrote: "David was injured at the
end of last year as he came back prematurely from a rib injury to try
and help us win even as most veterans who were on the last year of
their contract would have worried more about their upcoming free
agency than their team. That is who David is. Team first type of
guy. He can still shoot, he can defend points or 2’s and even though
he may have lost a step here or there, he is bull strong, smart and
competitive. He came off a knee surgery to start last year and It
took a bit for him to get rolling. But after the first month of the
year he played very well and only the rib injury prevented him from
finishing strong. The Cavs got a good player and a hall of fame type
of guy and competitor."

I thank Jeff for sharing his thoughts, he obviously respects Wesley.
I think the perception that Wesley struggled at times last season plus
the fact that the Rockets decided to go look for younger shooters this
offseason contributed to the feelings I got from Houston.

Also, I want to answer a couple questions in the comment section. The
Cavs have signed Wesley to a two-year deal but the second year is not
fully guaranteed, only a small part of it is. This protects the Cavs
and enables them to trade him next summer to a team that could just
waive him and not pay his salary (like an expiring contract, it makes
him an asset to a team looking to dump a player or cut salary). For
his willingness to take on a second year, Wesley probably got a few
hundred thousand guaranteed to him. This is a standard practice now
in the NBA. Also, as Van Gundy mentioned, the Cavs believe Wesley can
be a physical defender and feel that matches up with Scot Pollard,
another physical guy they signed who can guard multiple positions.

i like picking up wesley even more. but he still has to be productive.

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I don't think Ferry is done, but if he is, he didn't have a bad offseason. I think either Newble, Jackson, Pavlovic, or Jones (or some combination plus a second rounder for a second rounder) are on their way out the door. Ferry will not give up a pick. He even picked up extra picks moving contracts last year (Mike Wilks). i'd love to see ferry move newble & jones but i don't see who we could do so without taking an overpriced player with a multi-year contract in return. the four guys in question have $11 mil out of this years cap, $7.5 mil in 2007 & 4.3 mil in 2008. that stings a bit but is still much better than being stuck with someone like a kenyon martin.Okay. Bizzarro thought. Do they use the amnesty rule on Snow?


i don't see the point (pardon the pun) - as i understand the rule we'd
waive him but still have to pay his salary. but we would not be liable
for any luxury tax. we're just up against the cap now, so that really
doesn't help us at all. it might mean more when lebron's new contract
kicks in, but then snow will be in his final year anyway (i think) and
if anything, an attractive piece of trade bait to a team that would
like to take on a guy whose contract is about to end so as to provide
some cap relief.
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Oh, and the Nuggets just signed Reggie Evans to a 5 year deal.


really? i can't find confirmation of that anywhere. all i can find is
a rumor that evans is expected to re-sign with denver rather than
accept an offer of about $1.8mil from the T'wolves.
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Who is running that nuthouse, and can I have his job?


someone that makes paxson look not so stupid?


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Old 09-07-2006, 11:03 AM
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:51:35 GMT, Dan Hosek <none@nowhere.not> wrote:

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Oh, and the Nuggets just signed Reggie Evans to a 5 year deal. Who isrunning that nuthouse, and can I have his job?


i'm not sure you want reggie evans around a nuthouse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFci...ppers+Nugget s

but i'd really be leery if evans came out wearing a rubber glove and
carrying a tube of vaseline. anybody over 40 knows what i'm talking
about. as ray romano put it: "i was afraid it would be uncomfortable -
but more afraid that it woudn't."

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:48 AM
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On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 02:51:35 GMT, Dan Hosek <none@nowhere.not> wrote:
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Oh, and the Nuggets just signed Reggie Evans to a 5 year deal. Who isrunning that nuthouse, and can I have his job?


apparently the nuggets agreed with you: weltman & fredmen are gone

http://insidehoops.com/nuggets-restructure-090706.shtml


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Old 09-09-2006, 07:59 PM
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hosek" <none@nowhere.not>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Wesley to be signed

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Keith Jones wrote:
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"barry" <toisan_boy@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:k9lrf2588nbqi24ml8un1tt1as8lf7obsb@4ax.com...
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 22:35:52 -0600, "Keith Jones" <kejones1@cox.net> wrote:
SNIP
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Thanks, for the thorough explanation. I knew some of the info and agree

with
Quote:
your explanation of the rest. I think coach Brown is making it very

clear
Quote:
that if you don't play defense, you won't play major minutes. I agree

with
Quote:
no head cases to destroy chemistry. Keeping the core of the team intact

I
Quote:
think is a wise move. When you think back to the whirlwind of changes

that
Quote:
have taken place at all levels since Lebron joined the team, it is

enough to
Quote:
make your head spin. Continuity and familiarity should make us a better team. We have had a few lively discussions here (where is everyone else?). I

don't
Quote:
know what ever led to the problems we had last year. I know some of my negativity and predictions got under some people's skins. I had high expectations. As it turned out, they actually exceeded my expectations

last
Quote:
year. And I guess I felt you took some cheap shots at me. Anyway, it's

water
Quote:
over the dam. Life's too short. I hold no grudges (I don't like Albert Belle's Ghost). I have found you to be a very knowledgeable,

resourceful
Quote:
and thoughtful participant who refuses to use capital letters.

Anyway,
Quote:
don't let this go to your head, I can change my mind tomorrow. Just

kidding!
Quote:
Here's to an upcoming season where my expectations are even higher and hopefully, everything will click and we will have more to agree upon

than
Quote:
disagree. Afterall, we're both displaced or misplaced Clevelanders that still kept our allegiance to Cleveland sports teams. Sorry. Was on vacation for a few days.


Welcome back! Just barry and I here for the last week.
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I am optimistic for a good year also, and actually like the Wesley move (provided he didn't instantly go over the hill) - he played very solid for Houston last year, with a defensive minded coach.


It is a good move. Veteran, 3-point shooter, defensively tough and good
mentor for the younger players.
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I don't think Ferry is done, but if he is, he didn't have a bad offseason. I think either Newble, Jackson, Pavlovic, or Jones (or some combination plus a second rounder for a second rounder) are on their way out the door. Ferry will not give up a pick. He even picked up extra picks moving contracts last year (Mike Wilks).


Nobody wants any part of Jones' or Newble's contracts but I wish either or
both could be moved. Jackson with his injuries and poor play will not get us
much. Pavlovic is the only player other teams may view as desirable. I think
if they give him up for a second rounder, we will have gotten fleeced. He is
only 22 and would just be coming out of college. He has shown flashes of
brilliance and I think has shown great potential offensively. I believe he
can improve defensively with proper coaching (look how far Lebron still
needs to go). I do not believe Brown has been a good coach for him. He has
had his chances and he has made mistakes a young player will make. I still
think he will be a good player, but maybe not with the Cavs.

With the glut of guards we have, I think it is obvious that somebody(ies)
have got to go, but maybe not. I think Ferry has had a good offseason to
date with the draft, the resignings and nothing but the MLE to work with.

Keith


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