Beckham - Simeone WC 1998 -- Red Card Without Substitution ? #2

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09-07-2006, 11:53 AM

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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:hESLg.18829$RD.10917@fed1read08...> "Graybags" <gbas@lineone.net> wrote in message> news:4ma7miF55fp3U1@individual.net...>>> I see very few people I would identify as soccer fans on this>>> newsgroup.>>> Most people seem to be on one hustle or another.>> Which newsgroup (of the 6 you cross-post to) is "this" newsgroup,>> John?> The whole point of cross-posting is to reach several groups of> interested people with a common denominator issue they would all be> interested in. Why do you think it is that Sports Betting was made> illegal in 48 of the 50 states in the US ? Because the USA is an anally retentive, bible-bashing country?

Mostly because we have found that sports events are Fixed when money is allowed to be gambled on them. Boxing matches are largely held in Las Vegas, Nevada, and it is obvious that a huge proportion of these boxing matches today are Fixed. In fact, we need a total ban on Sports Betting here, and in the UK too.

You'd have to ban it all over the world if what you are saying is correct. Then we can look forward to a 'War on Betting'.....

Certainly, banning a vice like Gambling does place a lot of business
in the hands of Organized Crime types, but the instruments of state
available to fight Organized Crime are more powerful nowadays.
It could well be successful in the US, but around the world,
Organized Crime elements would connect their Gambling
operations to the Internet and would each have to be pursued
and taken down.

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| Sports betting is illegal in the USA except for two states:
| Nevada; and Oregon, where consumers bet on sports through a
| state-run lottery.
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09-07-2006, 01:09 PM

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You'd have to ban it all over the world if what you are saying is correct. Then we can look forward to a 'War on Betting'.....

And the CIA could have secret gambling prisons.

Soviet Russia / Communist China anyone?

Graybags

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09-07-2006, 01:17 PM

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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 14:09:25 +0100, "Graybags" <gbas@lineone.net>
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You'd have to ban it all over the world if what you are saying is correct. Then we can look forward to a 'War on Betting'.....

And the CIA could have secret gambling prisons.Soviet Russia / Communist China anyone?

Ask Ted, I believe he likes a bet!

(snigger)

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09-07-2006, 10:45 PM

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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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And where is your proof that this is wrong ? Or are readers supposed to just 'take your word for it' that my recollection was not right ? Of course, it is always possible the Pools may have changed over the years. Why don't you look it up instead, John (as you won't take someone else's explanation)? The pools pay out (and always have) a given percentage of the take. The points system they use for winners relies on scoring draws then non-scoring draws, then wins. If (by fixing about 50 games - yah right) there are fewer or no draws, then simply there are more winners. So you can have one person winning $B!W(B2 million one week, and the next week you could have 1 million people winning $B!W(B2. In both events the pay-out is the same and their profits are protected, and they have no need to try and fix 50 games (which, surely even the most rabid conspiracy theorist - and yes, that's you, John - would have to accept). For someone who THINKS they know absolutely everything about PR firms, gambling and football, I'm amazed at how poorly briefed you are.

That is similar to what I read about. These pools documents are legally sent to millions of houses int he UK and are sent in before the next week's matches and the whole country watches the scores come in around 5:00 PM on Saturday to see whether they won or not.

And?

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In fact, sports betting is illegal in 48 of the 50 states in the US.

So what?

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And a small number of scoring draws, maybe 6, could put you in the big money. Gambling is an Organized Crime con to take unsuspecting people's money.

All gambling is designed to make money for the instigators. It doesn't
necessarily mean that the sports that are being bet on are fixed.
Occasionally incidents do occur that are directly linked to betting rings, a
floodlight failure a few years ago at a Premiership game (West Ham or
Charlton iirc) was felt to have been carried out by people linked to a far
Eastern group of gamblers. I put it to you that this is the exception rather
than the rule and that all your arguments that you have put forward are
flawed in the extreme.

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Regular people do not know much about its details.

And you have proved you know even less. All you do is come out with stupid
ideas which are poorly (if at all) researched.
You have provided no evidence as to why it is in the interests of Pools
Companies to fix rexults when it has already been identified how much they
will be paying out anyway.
Basically you are a raving lunatic who is full of shit and hasn't a clue
what he is talking about.

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09-07-2006, 11:09 PM

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> And where is your proof that this is wrong ?> Or are readers supposed to just 'take your word for it' that my recollection was not right ?> Of course, it is always possible the Pools may have changed over the years. Why don't you look it up instead, John (as you won't take someone else's explanation)? The pools pay out (and always have) a given percentage of the take. The points system they use for winners relies on scoring draws then non-scoring draws, then wins. If (by fixing about 50 games - yah right) there are fewer or no draws, then simply there are more winners. So you can have one person winning $B!W(B2 million one week, and the next week you could have 1 million people winning $B!W(B2. In both events the pay-out is the same and their profits are protected, and they have no need to try and fix 50 games (which, surely even the most rabid conspiracy theorist - and yes, that's you, John - would have to accept). For someone who THINKS they know absolutely everything about PR firms, gambling and football, I'm amazed at how poorly briefed you are.

And?

Your claim was that I recalled the Pools structure inaccurately was false.

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In fact, sports betting is illegal in 48 of the 50 states in the US. So what?

This is a ridiculous statement.

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And a small number of scoring draws, maybe 6, could put you in the big money. Gambling is an Organized Crime con to take unsuspecting people's money. All gambling is designed to make money for the instigators. It doesn't

Instigators = Organized Crime, whether legalized, as in the UK,
or still illegal in sports betting in 48 of 50 US states.

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necessarily mean that the sports that are being bet on are fixed. Occasionally incidents do occur that are directly linked to betting rings, a floodlight failure a few years ago at a Premiership game (West Ham or Charlton iirc) was felt to have been carried out by people linked to a far Eastern group of gamblers. I put it to you that this is the exception rather than the rule and that all your arguments that you have put forward are flawed in the extreme.

What makes you think that if you are aware of some incidents which
indicate Organized Crime Gambling division activity, that the majority
of their actions are not better hidden ?

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Regular people do not know much about its details. And you have proved you know even less. All you do is come out with stupid ideas which are poorly (if at all) researched.

More personal attacks.
Typical of Public Relations firms, as a diversionary tactic.

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You have provided no evidence as to why it is in the interests of Pools Companies to fix rexults when it has already been identified how much they will be paying out anyway. Basically you are a raving lunatic who is full of shit and hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

I never said that Pools companies were involved in Fixing events.
Pools in the UK point to a country mired in sports gambling.
This might be difficult to motivate the country to react to the
corrupt activities which are obvious on the field, such as the Rooney/Referee
combo in the England-Portugal match, which resulted in England being
ousted from the World Cup Finals.
The UK government needs to Ban all sports betting across the country
immediately to bring match fixing under control.

John

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09-08-2006, 08:45 AM

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At 00:09:39 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted
uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:

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The UK government needs to Ban all sports betting across the country immediately to bring match fixing under control.

No. By your argument they need to ban all sports betting across the
universe.

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