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Old 09-03-2006, 09:25 AM
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<christian9997@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1157274080.101809.59740@m73g2000cwd.googlegro ups.com...
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Corruption and referees/players fixing soccer matches would be. What does the BBC have to say about that subject ?
I think they would say what the majority of the participants in this group are tempted to say: Where is the proof of your paranoid ramblings???


I have presented proof here for every one of the assertions I have made.
Here is more:

John

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/low/fo...ope/4445896.stm

Thursday, 17 November 2005, 12:26 GMT
Jail sentence for German referee

Referee Robert Hoyzer has been sentenced to two years and five months in prison
for his part in Germany's biggest match-fixing scandal. The 26-year-old admitted
fixing or trying to fix nine matches.

The prosecution recommended that Hoyzer be given a suspended sentence, but judge
Gerti Kramer opted for a custodial term. "It wasn't a youthful misdemeanour but a
serious crime," said Kramer. "He violated his duty of neutrality." Hoyzer appeared
shocked by the verdict and left the court in Berlin without speaking to waiting
reporters. He said in Tuesday's final arguments: "I'm very sorry about all the
people I lied to and cheated. I've damaged German soccer greatly."

He will remain free until his appeal is heard. "We and Mr Hoyzer are very
disappointed by the verdict. Even the prosecutors had sought a suspended sentence,"
said Hoyzer's lawyer Thomas Hermes. Dominik Marks, another referee, denied
involvement in the outcomes of four games but received a suspended sentence of one
and a half years. Ante Sapina, the Croatian who orchestrated the match-fixing for a
betting ring, was jailed for two years and 11 months. Sapina's brothers Filip, 38,
and bar-owner Milan, 40, were both given suspended sentences for aiding Ante's
criminal operation. "The threat of prison will make people think before trying to
influence a football match" German football association president, Theo Zwanziger.

Suspicions were raised when lowly Paderborn came from 2-0 down to beat former
European Cup winners SV Hamburg 4-2 last year in the German Cup. There were two
debatable penalties and a mystery sending-off in the match. According to the
indictment, Ante Sapina made more than £500,000 from Paderborn's victory. Referee
Hoyzer later admitted taking £46,000 and a flat-screen television in return for
influencing the match. Marks was accused of amassing £25,000 for his involvement in
four games.

German football association president Theo Zwanziger said he was happy with the
rulings 10 months after allegations first surfaced. "The threat of two and a half
years in prison will certainly make one or two people think before trying to
influence a football match," he said. The fraud trial has caused major embarrassment
to Germany's football establishment just eight months before the country stages the
2006 World Cup. It is not over because ex-professional Steffen Karl, formerly of
first division Borussia Dortmund and a Uefa Cup finalist, is still being tried
separately in connection with the match-rigging scam. The case of Karl, who denies
ever under-performing or seeking to lose a game, continues.

In all, 23 games were listed by prosecutor Thorsten Cloidt as suspicious. Most were
lower league games and all but two were between German sides. The exceptions were a
friendly between Hansa Rostock and Middlesbrough, and a Turkish first division match
between Galatasaray and Ankaragucu in April 2004.
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Old 09-03-2006, 10:17 AM
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John Shocked wrote:
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Where is the proof of your paranoid ramblings??? I have presented proof here for every one of the assertions I have made.


No you have not presented any proof whatsoever for this
(Beckham-Simeone incident in 1998):

"It is simply incredible that the outcome of a World Cup Finals
match, watched worldwide by Billions of people, could be
Decided by such a trivial act as that which Beckham
commits on this tape.

But even more stunning and suspicious, is the failure of the UK
Press to respond to this outrage by an investigation of the Referee
in question and Beckham himself, to see if either one or both had
been commissioned by Organized Crime Gambling division
interests to Fix this match.

With the UK Media controlled by Rupert Murdoch, who by this time
was operating a huge Gambling empire, there was likely
no way that the UK media was about to focus on the obvious
threat to the sport of World Soccer."

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Old 09-03-2006, 10:23 AM
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>> It is simply incredible that the outcome of a World Cup Finals
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match, watched worldwide by Billions of people, could be Decided by such a trivial act as that which Beckham commits on this tape. But even more stunning and suspicious, is the failure of the UK Press to respond to this outrage by an investigation of the Referee in question and Beckham himself, to see if either one or both had been commissioned by Organized Crime Gambling division interests to Fix this match. With the UK Media controlled by Rupert Murdoch, who by this time was operating a huge Gambling empire, there was likely no way that the UK media was about to focus on the obvious threat to the sport of World Soccer.

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John Shocked wrote:
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Where is the proof of your paranoid ramblings??? I have presented proof here for every one of the assertions I have made.
No you have not presented any proof whatsoever for this (Beckham-Simeone incident in 1998):


I certainly have:

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The UK-Australian Gambling and News Media Corruption connection
which appears to hold a bribery corruption stranglehold on UK soccer today.

The privatization of existing gambling institutions presented here indicates
collusion between government officials to allow a man whose hands are
dirty with organized crime gambling to control the public access to news
and information critical to the operation of a democracy.

Rupert Murdoch, a Media Baron whose business is infected with
Organized Crime Gambling money should not be allowed to hold
a TV or Radio licence in the UK or the US.

John

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http://cals.arizona.edu/rtip/Sympos...ing_issues.html

| 32nd ANNUAL SYMPOSIUM ON RACING AND GAMING
| THURSDAY, DECEMBER 8, 2005
| INTERNATIONAL SIMULCASTING ISSUES
| David Hawke, General Manager, Planning & Infrastructure; Racing Victoria, Ltd.
|
| In terms of historical overview of broadcasting in Australia, up until very
| recently, one company has held exclusive rights to broadcast thoroughbred, harness
| and greyhound racing in Australia. That company, Sky Channel was established in 1987
| by Kerry Packer and quickly sawed off any competitors. In 1995, Packer sold 50
| percent stake in Sky Channel to Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation for 75 million.
| That ownership continued until 1998, when it was acquired by the newly privatized
| TAB, for 260 million. For those of you who are maybe not familiar with Australian
| wagering landscape, we started out, there are six states and two territories in
| Australia. In 2000, Sky Channel added radio station 2KY to its media division.
|
| Sky's performance, at the time of acquisition by TAB Ltd., Sky had an operating
| profit of about 15 million, revenue of 67 million. By 2004, revenue increased to
| more than 100 million with an operating profit of about 40 million. Sky's strategy,
| become the monopoly provider of race wagering pictures across Australia. And to
| achieve that, it adopted a very simple 'divide and conquer' approach. It negotiated
| with each race club separately, and staggered contract terms to make aggregation of
| rights by race clubs as difficult as possible. This ensured that it had the superior
| hand at any bargaining time, and if necessary it would use the provisions of the
| Trade Practices Act against collusive bargaining to prevent unlawful aggregation of
| rights by race clubs.
|
| The largest component of Sky's cost base was rights fees for the racing industry.
| And Sky made no secret its intention to achieve rights fees at lower costs. To
| establish a viable competing service, Sky Channel needed to secure the minimum
| Victorian and New South Wales thoroughbred racing, as well as premium Australian
| racing product. Staying in the contract period was designed to prevent this from
| happening. TVN was granted by Victorian Club rights to facilitate the aggregation of
| Victorian rights, in line with the Trade Practice Act. In May, 2002, TVN sold the
| Victorian rights to Sky channel for two years, with two six-month options at Sky's
| discretion, expiring May of 2005. In 2004, the right to Sydney metropolitan racing
| fell through, and the AJC and STC granted these rights to TVN until May 2005. Most
| importantly, it allowed the expiration of the Victorian rights, and this was the
| defining point in the development of TVN.
|
| Following Tabcorp's acquisition of TAB Ltd. or Sky channel in 2004, Tabcorp and TVN
| signed an agreement to produce a thoroughbred only channel. However, in January
| 2005, Tabcorp withdraws support for the channel and TVN immediately announces the
| creation of its own racing channel carrying Victorian and Sydney racing. In rolling
| out this new channel, TVN secured agreements so that TVN service is now available in
| a growing number of locations in Australia, including at Unitab agencies in
| Queensland, South Australia, and Northern Territory. TVN and Tabcorp also agreed to
| provide and display the TVN service in Tabcorp agencies, and do so in Victoria,
| while negotiations of a thoroughbred-only channel continue.
|
| The emergence of TVN has raised a range of issues, which at this point remain
| unresolved. In a practical sense, the most difficult of these is the split coverage
| of Australian thoroughbred racing on the two channels. At this day, there is no
| attempt at cooperation between TVN and Sky on the scheduling and the unacceptable
| situation currently exists for patrons having to watch two screens. Another
| complication is the impact of pay TV exclusivity arrangements, which mean the Austar
| subscribers, Austar is the regional satellite delivery network, mainly country
| viewers are unable to access the TVN channel, overcoming this would require Sky
| channel to release Austar from its obligation not to take vision from any other
| provider. On a positive note, this dispute has resulted in a local and international
| product coming into the Australian market, New Zealand, Hong Kong and South African
| racing. Co-pooling by totalisators, the Australian wagering market is comprised of
| TAB's, on-course bookmakers, corporate bookmakers and more recently, betting
| exchanges. TAB's account for 83 percent of turnover in the race wagering market. On-
| course bookmaker's are 8.5 percent, corporate bookmakers are 6.5 percent, and
| betting exchanges are about two percent.
|
| We have seen rapid change in the structure of the Australian wagering market. The
| Victorian TAB was the first TAB to be privatized and this resulted in a major change
| to the way the Victorian racing industry was funded, and resulted in a major lifting
| of the revenues that we see for the Victorian racing industry. The Victorian racing
| industry entered into a joint venture with Tabcorp to have access not only to
| wagering revenue, but also to have profit in gaming activities conducted during the
| joint venture. This was the only state to enjoy this type of commercial arrangement,
| which is TAB, and this is reflected in its prize money levels and quality of its
| racing.
|
| Following the privatization of the Victorian TAB was the public restructuring of the
| New South Wales TAB, which is currently the TAB with the largest turnover, and the
| Queensland TAB. Further merges and acquisitions followed with Unitab acquiring the
| Northern Territory TAB, and later the South Australian TAB. It has also developed a
| strong gaming machine monitoring business in both Australia and New Zealand. The
| biggest shake-up occurred more recently with the acquisition by Tabcorp of TAB Ltd.
| Together with its existing casino and gaming operations, this makes Tabcorp the
| fourth largest gambling business in the world on an enterprise value ranking.
|
| Current pooling arrangements. There are three pools in operation in Australia, the
| Unitab pool of Queensland, South Australia and Northern Territory, the SuperTab pool
| of Victoria, Western Australia, Tasmania, Australian Capital Territory and a New
| South Wales pool. More than 12 months has now elapsed since Tabcorp's acquisition of
| TAB Ltd with the merging of the New South Wales pool but the SuperTab pool has still
| not been accomplished. Another outstanding issue is the strong opposition of the New
| South Wales government betting exchanges. This is relevant because one of the
| current members of the SuperTab, Tasmania has now moved to license betting exchange.
|
| With international co-pooling, it is highly likely that Australia will begin to
| mingle its pools with overseas operators in the near to immediate time. Tabcorp now
| has the capacity to commingle internationally, and that will likely happen very
| quickly. Issues such as takeout rates, tax rates and legislation will require our
| attention but none of them would seem to be insurmountable obstacles. Possibly the
| greatest impediment to Australia's participation in co-pooling is the difficulty of
| inexperience of merging pools within Australia. Sensibly, this is the first step,
| then we can make substantial progress. I think, looking ahead, co-pooling with
| Australia will most likely occur with those jurisdictions that we are currently
| exchanging product with. Tabcorp does now have the capability to commingle and they
| are looking very closely at the U.S. market.
|
| That's all I have for you, thank you very much.
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John


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Old 09-03-2006, 10:35 AM
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Are you an total idiot or what???

Where is the proof that there is a link between David Beckham's red
card and Rupert Murdoch's business ventures???

I am warning you: If you don't give me convincing proof I am going to
killfile you!

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Are you an total idiot or what??? Where is the proof that there is a link between David Beckham's red card and Rupert Murdoch's business ventures??? I am warning you: If you don't give me convincing proof I am going to killfile you!


I am so worried about your killfile.

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http://www.p2pbetting.com/2001/Nov/...36/Default.aspx

15th November 2001 - issue 8
1. Introduction

Intrade.com is the new p2p site owned by Queensland Press, an associated company
of News International, and therefore forms part of the Rupert Murdoch empire. Whilst
Intrade facilitates the placing of sports bets between two individuals, which they
call sports trading , its approach is so radical and so far removed from the
traditional idea of sports betting that the comparisons end there. Like the now
defunct Play2match, Intrade have taken the concept of sports betting and put it into
a futures trading market framework. This creates a whole new gambling experience
and it will be interesting to see if Intrade can make this succeed where Play2match
failed.

Rather than water down their product so that it will appeal to the wider gambling
public, Intrade have remained true to their vision of replicating the futures market
as closely as they can in a sports event context. They have come up with a very
sophisticated and specialised product that will surely appeal to those with a city
trader background. As these people are renowned for their betting activities and
their huge salaries and bonuses if they can corner this market, Intrade will have
secured an excellent business. The downside of this is that by creating a site with
"all the sophistication of the worlds largest trading exchanges", Intrade have by
definition created a site which may be daunting and unfamiliar to anyone from
outside this background.
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