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Old 09-08-2006, 09:02 AM
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At 08:42:59 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted
uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:
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I thought we at least left the colonies with a rudimentary legal system, clearly I was mistaken. Graybags This is an interesting issue similar to the problems of world soccer. The US has a good legal system, except for crook on the bench judge. Judges need to be policed much more than they are, and when found to be deviating from the written laws, or even worse, Making Law, they should be arrested on the spot and thrown in prison pending the investigation.


And it's now clear that you don't understand the legal system in
England.

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Old 09-08-2006, 09:11 AM
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"Alex" <no.spam@mail.com> wrote in message news:4mcpsjF5iii8U1@individual.net...
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At 08:42:59 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:
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I thought we at least left the colonies with a rudimentary legal system, clearly I was mistaken. Graybags This is an interesting issue similar to the problems of world soccer. The US has a good legal system, except for crook on the bench judge. Judges need to be policed much more than they are, and when found to be deviating from the written laws, or even worse, Making Law, they should be arrested on the spot and thrown in prison pending the investigation.
And it's now clear that you don't understand the legal system in England.


And what is the difference in the UK legal system ?

John


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Old 09-08-2006, 09:42 AM
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At 10:11:57 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted
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"Alex" <no.spam@mail.com> wrote in message news:4mcpsjF5iii8U1@individual.net...
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At 08:42:59 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:
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> I thought we at least left the colonies with a rudimentary legal> system, clearly I was mistaken. Graybags This is an interesting issue similar to the problems of world soccer. The US has a good legal system, except for crook on the bench judge. Judges need to be policed much more than they are, and when found to be deviating from the written laws, or even worse, Making Law, they should be arrested on the spot and thrown in prison pending the investigation.
And it's now clear that you don't understand the legal system in England.
And what is the difference in the UK legal system ?


Apart from the statutory laws - or legislation - which are made by Acts
of Parliament, a lot of the law in the UK is 'case law' (or 'common
law'); that is, it is based on previous judgements or precedent. Much
of case law is actually based on judges' interpretations of
legislation. Judges, therefore, can and do make law although the court
does have to be sufficiently senior (such as the High Court or Court of
Appeal).

Juries can also find a defendant 'not guilty', even if they know he is
guilty, if they do not agree with the law.

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Old 09-08-2006, 10:15 AM
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At 10:11:57 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:
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"Alex" <no.spam@mail.com> wrote in message news:4mcpsjF5iii8U1@individual.net...
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At 08:42:59 on 08/09/2006, John Shocked delighted uk.sport.football.clubs.liverpool by announcing:>> I thought we at least left the colonies with a rudimentary legal>> system, clearly I was mistaken. Graybags > This is an interesting issue similar to the problems of world > soccer. The US has a good legal system, except for crook on the > bench judge. Judges need to be policed much more than they are, > and when found to be deviating from the written laws, or even > worse, Making Law, they should be arrested on the spot and thrown > in prison pending the investigation. And it's now clear that you don't understand the legal system in England.
And what is the difference in the UK legal system ?
Apart from the statutory laws - or legislation - which are made by Acts of Parliament, a lot of the law in the UK is 'case law' (or 'common law'); that is, it is based on previous judgements or precedent. Much of case law is actually based on judges' interpretations of legislation. Judges, therefore, can and do make law although the court does have to be sufficiently senior (such as the High Court or Court of Appeal).


I am aware of Case Law, but normally that is the origin of Tort Law
and general Contract law one finds when people sue in civil court.
What many states in the US have done is pass statutes to codify
much of this law (and modify certain details since most Case Law
is written by judges to favor their wealthy fatcat friends).

A problem occurs when the judge claims his law is preeminent over the
people's laws, or the statutes passed by that State's Statehouse
or Congress in the federal system.
Since most legislators are attorneys, they are more inclined than
the people they represent, to look the other way when judges do this.

Congress still can pass a law to strike down an interpretation of law
made by judges, but often these decisions do not have the
public interest level, which requires press involvement, to force
the legislature to act.
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Juries can also find a defendant 'not guilty', even if they know he is guilty, if they do not agree with the law.


In the US, this (jury nullification) is generally not legal, though it likely
happens quite often, without the jury admitting to it.
This is a favorite subject of libertarians, especially
those who disagree with the drug laws.

As is obvious, I do not believe that it is in the interests of non-criminals,
who are the majority, to have any decision maker, judge or Referee,
making up the Law as they go along.
That favors only those able and willing to pay cash bribes to
the referee to fix the match.

John


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Old 09-08-2006, 05:43 PM
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Perhaps the biggest Public Relations operation in the world is that which supports homosexuality. In fact, we have already heard people come here raising the issue, simply because it is their job to follow guys like me who disagree with them, whichever newsgroup we might be on, and harass them as much as they can.


Coo-koo, coo-koo.


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Old 09-08-2006, 10:53 PM
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1pSLg.18825$RD.11406@fed1read08...
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> 4. Someone who will use defamatory language to other posters without> any evidence that someone is, for instance, working for a PR company. The evidence is clear about the likelihood people on this newsgroup, are working for Public Relations firms.
No it isn't
Prove this.


That's rich coming from someone who fails to provide prrof for any of his
insane ramblings.
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I have stated the evidence and defended the logical underpinning of that evidence, before and now. No you haven't Yes I have.


No you haven't
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And you have failed to disprove that evidence,


What evidence? All I see is conjecture, hypothisizing and general bullshit.
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thus the assertions continue to stand until disproven.


No they don't


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Old 09-08-2006, 10:54 PM
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Sumisdad" <sumisdadNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45008b1b$1_3@x-privat.org...
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rMOLg.18814$RD.6910@fed1read08...
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"Sumisdad" <sumisdadNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:44ffb027_2@x-privat.org...> "John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:PmILg.18788$RD.11243@fed1read08...> <snipped>> Try the section on obstruction and indirect freekicks Which section is that and where is he URL for it ?
Try looking. It's not hard to locate the rules of football if you know what you're looking for. However seeing as your knowledge appears to be negligable it may take you some time.
When you post the URL I will believe it exists.

Try getting off your arse and find it.


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Old 09-08-2006, 11:28 PM
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"Sumisdad" <sumisdadNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4501f4b1_1@x-privat.org...
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:PX%Lg.18850$RD.10135@fed1read08...
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"Sumisdad" <sumisdadNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:45008b1b$1_3@x-privat.org...
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"John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:rMOLg.18814$RD.6910@fed1read08...> "Sumisdad" <sumisdadNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:44ffb027_2@x-privat.org...>> "John Shocked" <jshocked@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:PmILg.18788$RD.11243@fed1read08...>> <snipped>>> Try the section on obstruction and indirect freekicks> Which section is that and where is he URL for it ? Try looking. It's not hard to locate the rules of football if you know what you're looking for. However seeing as your knowledge appears to be negligible it may take you some time.
When you post the URL I will believe it exists.
Try getting off your arse and find it.


Post the proof URL or admit that you made it up,
whatever your point happens to be.

John


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