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Old 10-06-2006, 07:51 AM
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Part of the point of rotational device gambit, is that Bulls are a team
of tweeners, with very few exceptions. If any.

Is there any present Bull's player out of the likely projected 15 who
really fits ANY positional proto or stereo type?

An argument can be made that zero present Bulls "have" a position. Even
Shen Shen, who as we have heard is projected to potentially be a
prototypical backup center in a few years, isn't one today.

If this is true, then either Bulls are one of these nouveau vague teams
like Suns, Raptors, and who else? representing the future of the NBA...

OR

It's a collection of tweeners who succeed because Skiles has an
infinite bucket of pixie dust he sprinkles on the team as needed.







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Old 10-06-2006, 04:23 PM
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In article <2006100601515975249-otherwise3@maccom>,
BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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Part of the point of rotational device gambit, is that Bulls are a team of tweeners, with very few exceptions. If any. Is there any present Bull's player out of the likely projected 15 who really fits ANY positional proto or stereo type? An argument can be made that zero present Bulls "have" a position. Even Shen Shen, who as we have heard is projected to potentially be a prototypical backup center in a few years, isn't one today. If this is true, then either Bulls are one of these nouveau vague teams like Suns, Raptors, and who else? representing the future of the NBA... OR It's a collection of tweeners who succeed because Skiles has an infinite bucket of pixie dust he sprinkles on the team as needed.



Kirk is about as classic a point guard as I can think of. Small forward
has always been an, uh, "eclectic" position, with tall guys like Thurl
Bailey, jumping jacks like Jerome Kersey, beefy guys like Jamal
Mashburn, to name only the successful players. Deng is about as typical
a small forward as there is: too skinny to play PF, too big to play SG.
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:05 PM
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
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In article <2006100601515975249-otherwise3@maccom>, BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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Part of the point of rotational device gambit, is that Bulls are a team of tweeners, with very few exceptions. If any. Is there any present Bull's player out of the likely projected 15 who really fits ANY positional proto or stereo type? An argument can be made that zero present Bulls "have" a position. Even Shen Shen, who as we have heard is projected to potentially be a prototypical backup center in a few years, isn't one today. If this is true, then either Bulls are one of these nouveau vague teams like Suns, Raptors, and who else? representing the future of the NBA... OR It's a collection of tweeners who succeed because Skiles has an infinite bucket of pixie dust he sprinkles on the team as needed.
Kirk is about as classic a point guard as I can think of. Small forward has always been an, uh, "eclectic" position, with tall guys like Thurl Bailey, jumping jacks like Jerome Kersey, beefy guys like Jamal Mashburn, to name only the successful players. Deng is about as typical a small forward as there is: too skinny to play PF, too big to play SG.


I'd add Big Ben to the classic center because he has no physical
limitation matching up defensively against any center in the league
(even Yao) that would change if he were 7'0....He's the same height as
Russell and Cowens and taller than Unseld, three hall of fame
centers...

Rizzo

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Old 10-06-2006, 11:22 PM
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On 2006-10-06 11:05:18 -0600, "Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@yahoo.com> said:
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
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In article <2006100601515975249-otherwise3@maccom>, BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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Part of the point of rotational device gambit, is that Bulls are a team of tweeners, with very few exceptions. If any. Is there any present Bull's player out of the likely projected 15 who really fits ANY positional proto or stereo type? An argument can be made that zero present Bulls "have" a position. Even Shen Shen, who as we have heard is projected to potentially be a prototypical backup center in a few years, isn't one today. If this is true, then either Bulls are one of these nouveau vague teams like Suns, Raptors, and who else? representing the future of the NBA... OR It's a collection of tweeners who succeed because Skiles has an infinite bucket of pixie dust he sprinkles on the team as needed.
Kirk is about as classic a point guard as I can think of. Small forward has always been an, uh, "eclectic" position, with tall guys like Thurl Bailey, jumping jacks like Jerome Kersey, beefy guys like Jamal Mashburn, to name only the successful players. Deng is about as typical a small forward as there is: too skinny to play PF, too big to play SG.
I'd add Big Ben to the classic center because he has no physical limitation matching up defensively against any center in the league (even Yao) that would change if he were 7'0....He's the same height as Russell and Cowens and taller than Unseld, three hall of fame centers... Rizzo


For a classic point guard, Kirk has played an awful lot of SG so far in
his career. Some of that is certainly because of the makeup of the team
he's been on. But some of that has to also be that he can play SG,
which I take to be a sign that he's a tweener.

Deng has been spoken of as potentially playing some SG, and that
experiment has yet to be tried out, but with the logjam at SF, it might
come up again. Though with SPM around it's less likely.

I'd argue the most classic thing about Big Body Ben, is his tweener
status between PF and C. Defensively he can match up at C, but there's
nothing classic about his offensive play at C.




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Old 10-06-2006, 11:53 PM
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In article <2006100617223216807-otherwise3@maccom>,
BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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For a classic point guard, Kirk has played an awful lot of SG so far in his career. Some of that is certainly because of the makeup of the team he's been on. But some of that has to also be that he can play SG, which I take to be a sign that he's a tweener.



"Tweener" as I usually hear it refers to guys like Antoine Jamison, who
really don't have a "natural" position, so maybe it's just a terminology
situation.

Kirk *can* play both positions but I don't think he should/would in an
ideal situation. He's tenacious defensively but he's just too small,
both in stature and in wingspan, to stay with your generic

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Deng has been spoken of as potentially playing some SG, and that experiment has yet to be tried out, but with the logjam at SF, it might come up again. Though with SPM around it's less likely.



Who is SPM?


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I'd argue the most classic thing about Big Body Ben, is his tweener status between PF and C. Defensively he can match up at C, but there's nothing classic about his offensive play at C.



There are fewer characters in "Ben Wallace" than in "Big Body Ben". With
two Bens in the starting line-up, maybe just go with the Fro.







(ouch)
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Old 10-07-2006, 12:59 AM
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"Granville Waiters' Ghost" <x@x.x> wrote in message
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In article <2006100617223216807-otherwise3@maccom>, BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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For a classic point guard, Kirk has played an awful lot of SG so far in his career. Some of that is certainly because of the makeup of the team he's been on. But some of that has to also be that he can play SG, which I take to be a sign that he's a tweener.
"Tweener" as I usually hear it refers to guys like Antoine Jamison, who really don't have a "natural" position, so maybe it's just a terminology situation. Kirk *can* play both positions but I don't think he should/would in an ideal situation. He's tenacious defensively but he's just too small, both in stature and in wingspan, to stay with your generic
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Deng has been spoken of as potentially playing some SG, and that experiment has yet to be tried out, but with the logjam at SF, it might come up again. Though with SPM around it's less likely.
Who is SPM?


Thabo
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I'd argue the most classic thing about Big Body Ben, is his tweener status between PF and C. Defensively he can match up at C, but there's nothing classic about his offensive play at C.
There are fewer characters in "Ben Wallace" than in "Big Body Ben". With two Bens in the starting line-up, maybe just go with the Fro. (ouch)



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Old 10-07-2006, 12:59 AM
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On 2006-10-06 17:53:26 -0600, Granville Waiters' Ghost <x@x.x> said:
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In article <2006100617223216807-otherwise3@maccom>, BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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For a classic point guard, Kirk has played an awful lot of SG so far in his career. Some of that is certainly because of the makeup of the team he's been on. But some of that has to also be that he can play SG, which I take to be a sign that he's a tweener.
"Tweener" as I usually hear it refers to guys like Antoine Jamison, who really don't have a "natural" position, so maybe it's just a terminology situation. Kirk *can* play both positions but I don't think he should/would in an ideal situation. He's tenacious defensively but he's just too small, both in stature and in wingspan, to stay with your generic


Splitting hairs here as Kirk probably isn't a quite a classic point
guard, and probably not quite a tweener either. Kirk lacks some of the
quickness and some of the play-making of a "classic" point guard though
he's not that far off.
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Deng has been spoken of as potentially playing some SG, and that experiment has yet to be tried out, but with the logjam at SF, it might come up again. Though with SPM around it's less likely. Who is SPM?


ask td, but I think he said Swiss Ponytail Man.
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I'd argue the most classic thing about Big Body Ben, is his tweener status between PF and C. Defensively he can match up at C, but there's nothing classic about his offensive play at C.
There are fewer characters in "Ben Wallace" than in "Big Body Ben". With two Bens in the starting line-up, maybe just go with the Fro. (ouch)


yeah, well Big Ben is "classic", and supposedly the team nick is
"Body". But I wouldn't mind breaking out the fro when he does.


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Old 10-07-2006, 03:15 AM
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Granville Waiters' Ghost wrote:
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In article <2006100617223216807-otherwise3@maccom>, BoneDry <otherwise3@mac.com> wrote:
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For a classic point guard, Kirk has played an awful lot of SG so far in his career. Some of that is certainly because of the makeup of the team he's been on. But some of that has to also be that he can play SG, which I take to be a sign that he's a tweener.
"Tweener" as I usually hear it refers to guys like Antoine Jamison, who really don't have a "natural" position, so maybe it's just a terminology situation. Kirk *can* play both positions but I don't think he should/would in an ideal situation. He's tenacious defensively but he's just too small, both in stature and in wingspan, to stay with your generic
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Deng has been spoken of as potentially playing some SG, and that experiment has yet to be tried out, but with the logjam at SF, it might come up again. Though with SPM around it's less likely.
Who is SPM?
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I'd argue the most classic thing about Big Body Ben, is his tweener status between PF and C. Defensively he can match up at C, but there's nothing classic about his offensive play at C.


He doesn't EXCEL offensively, but his position is C (not a tweener).
If he were a PF he wouldn't EXCEL offensively but that wouldn't
relegate his type of play to a SF or SG....He's a classic C with no
offensive game excpet boards and screens......and a few dunks..

Rizzo

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Old 10-07-2006, 04:01 PM
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Swedish Ponytail Man....


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