CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

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10-06-2006, 06:20 PM

Greg Lentz Greg Lentz is offline

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CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 17:30:46 GMT, nono@way.com (Preacher) wrote:

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NFN Smith <worldoff9908@sacbeemail.com> wrote:

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Baker wrote:

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" I hope this article is not correct. With Murphy moving to center? I guess having zero low post offense from the front court and no interior defense is the plan now? Not that there was any last year. I suppose at least Murph can catch and dunk off Baron's passes, something Adonal never learned how to do. But who is going to score in the post? JRICH?" I don't think Nellie wants any low post offense. I think he want's to exploit big players lack of speed. Dunleavy should be able to take most PF's off the dribble. Hopefully. The only reason for having Murphy at center would be to draw the center out of the key so our gaurds and SF can slash to the rim.

Remember that Larry Smith was a PF until Nellie came along, and then he played center frequently. And of course, Mullin was a guard until Nellie moved him to SF. In the first go-around of Nellie-ball, it wasn't uncommon to see him playing what was essentially 4 guards (counting Mullin as a guard) and a center (either Larry Smith or Manute Bol). Neither Smith nor Bol were exactly low-post centers. Remember with Nellie, he's always looking for mismatches to exploit. The games I'm interested in seeing are going to be the ones with Phoenix. As for Dunleavy, maybe Nellie's system is exactly what he needs, where Nellie can build around his specific strengths (even if they're not typical -- e.g., a "point power forward"). By the same token, perhaps this was part of Monty's failings, in trying to force players into predefined roles, even if they weren't really suited for it. I'm cautiously optimistic that this might be the time we finally get the breakout year from Dunleavy, with him playing in a system that emphasizes his specific strengths.

Regardless of whether this is the team Nellie really wants, we can onlyhope that he brings out the best in these guys so that some of them areat least valuable in a trade. One of the worst things about theMontgomery regime was the way that formerly valuable assets (notablyPietrus and Dunleavy) became worth less (or worthless, depending on yourpoint of view).

I don't think Dunleavy has been valuable as a pro since his rookie season
started. When he was an unknown riding Jason Williams' and Battier's
coattails, he probably had a lot of value.

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Maybe if those guys can show something, Mullin can movesome of them for the pieces he's missing.

I would hope that he's planning to raise Murphy and Dunleavy's value to
trade them ultimately.
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10-06-2006, 06:24 PM

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CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

Greg Lentz wrote:

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According to the website, there are no televised preseason games, although usually there's at least one on NBA TV. http://www.nba.com/warriors/schedule/index.html -- Greg Lentz

Stupid Comcast cable!!! I don't get NBA TV in my city! What makes it
worse, my parents live in San Jose, which is about 5 miles frome where
I live, and they get that channel plus about 15 other ones I don't get,
plus onDemand all for the same price I pay. Bullshit!!!!!!!

Oh well, I guess I'll just go to their house and watch it!

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10-06-2006, 06:57 PM

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CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

Baker wrote:

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Greg Lentz wrote:

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According to the website, there are no televised preseason games, although usually there's at least one on NBA TV. http://www.nba.com/warriors/schedule/index.html -- Greg Lentz

Stupid Comcast cable!!! I don't get NBA TV in my city! What makes it worse, my parents live in San Jose, which is about 5 miles frome where I live, and they get that channel plus about 15 other ones I don't get, plus onDemand all for the same price I pay. Bullshit!!!!!!! Oh well, I guess I'll just go to their house and watch it!

Get a Dish. I'm going to the game against EFES Turkey.....So I guess
Portland is the only other home game I'm worried about. I re-upped
Season Ticket so I'm sure I'll see the games somewhere...

Rizzo

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10-07-2006, 02:34 AM

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CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

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So far in training camp, Dunleavy hasn't cracked the list of players whohave stood out, in Nelson's mind. And he won't ever, aside from the odd good game here and there. -- Greg Lentz

Let's hope this isn't Nellie's first big mistake. Hasn't he seen tapes of
Dunleavy? Can't take anyone off the dribble, can't post up *anyone*, can't
hit outside shots consistently, blames others for his poor nights. Up until
this pronoucement, I was happy with everything Nellie said.

If this experiment comes at the expense of Ike's minutes, I'll be really
disappointed.

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10-07-2006, 08:12 PM

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:34:53 GMT, "aunt bee" <amybonzo@yahoo.com> wrote:

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So far in training camp, Dunleavy hasn't cracked the list of players whohave stood out, in Nelson's mind. And he won't ever, aside from the odd good game here and there.Let's hope this isn't Nellie's first big mistake. Hasn't he seen tapes ofDunleavy? Can't take anyone off the dribble, can't post up *anyone*, can'thit outside shots consistently, blames others for his poor nights. Up untilthis pronoucement, I was happy with everything Nellie said.

Well, the theory is that at the PF, he'll be able to take bigger slower
players off the dribble. But so what? What is he going to do once he
gets past his man? Drive and dish? Finish in a crowd in the lane? Pull
up jumper? It doesn't matter if he's not a threat to hit shots.

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If this experiment comes at the expense of Ike's minutes, I'll be reallydisappointed.

It will at first, but ultimately, Ike will get those minutes back. We all
know Dunleavy's weaknesses.
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10-07-2006, 08:43 PM

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CCT: New offense fits Dunleavy's style

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 02:34:53 GMT, "aunt bee" <amybonzo@yahoo.com> wrote:

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>>So far in training camp, Dunleavy hasn't cracked the list of players who>have stood out, in Nelson's mind. And he won't ever, aside from the odd good game here and there.Let's hope this isn't Nellie's first big mistake. Hasn't he seen tapes ofDunleavy? Can't take anyone off the dribble, can't post up *anyone*, can'thit outside shots consistently, blames others for his poor nights. Up untilthis pronoucement, I was happy with everything Nellie said.

Well, the theory is that at the PF, he'll be able to take bigger slower players off the dribble. But so what? What is he going to do once he gets past his man? Drive and dish? Finish in a crowd in the lane? Pull up jumper? It doesn't matter if he's not a threat to hit shots.

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If this experiment comes at the expense of Ike's minutes, I'll be reallydisappointed.

It will at first, but ultimately, Ike will get those minutes back. We all know Dunleavy's weaknesses. -- Greg Lentz

You know I agree with you, but I'm hoping "in theory anyway" that he
can hit shorter shots off the dribble as opposed to catch and shoot
18-22 footers. I would still rather see Ike out there as he can score
from the block.

Rizzo

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