To discourage players from leaving Japan for the "riches" of MLB, or to at
least compensate Japanese ballclubs that lose players, Japanese baseball and
MLB agreed on a posting system for players under contract with Japanese
clubs. MLB teams wishing to negotiate with a player submit bids for a
"posting fee", which the winning MLB team would pay the Japanese team for
the right to negotiate with the player/his agent.


"Calvin Jones & the 13th Apostle" <Another_Thin_Line@yahoo.com> wrote in
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How exactly, is Schmidt better then Zito? If you think Schmidt is better
then Zito, do you also think that Jolly Cholly is a better manager than
Leyland?





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Leyland has a LOSING managerial record...Manuel has a WINNING managerial
record. Yes, Manuel is the better manager.

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Comparing Harang with Greinke/ Schmidt or Zito in GO/AO is basically a toss
up. Unless your going after someone like Brandon Webb, Derek Lowe, Roy
Halladay, Tim Hudson or one of the top pitchers at fewest HR/IP things are
basically pretty even. Guys with GO/AO of 2.0 and better seem to have a
tendency to not allow HR, but it's not always the case. If a guy gives up
alot of hits, he will still have a tendecy to give up the long ball even
though he may get most of his outs in ground outs. It's also important to
stay away from guys like Eric Milton or Ryan Franklin whom are known to give
up the long ball. Jon Leiber can fit into that category also, but he can
get away with some of them because he gives up so few walks. A HR/IP
ratio of 10 IP/ 1HR is a good ratio these days. Its something Phils
Pitchers should strive for and GM's should use as a standard in evaluating
pitchers.

Rick White actually did pretty well in the HR allowed and in GO/AO.

As for the the effect of CBP
The phils actually finished 4th in the major leagues in HR total AND they
finished 4th in HR total on the road and 4th in HR total at home. Thus it
seems as though CBP is a pretty level playing field. Phils hit 8 more HR
at home than on the road but pitching did allow 25 more HR at home than on
the road. Don't know what the problem was there.?

Band boxes would seem to belong to the White Sox, Blue Jays, Baltimore
Orioles and Cincinati Reds who all hit at least 30 HR more at home than on
the road with the Blue Jays hitting 44 HR more at home than on the road.

TG

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 16:02:41 -0400, "Calvin Jones & the 13th Apostle"
<Another_Thin_Line@yahoo.com> wrote:
Its called statistics. Uh, lets see......

Schmidt 3.59 era 1.26 whip 7.6 k/9 3.4 bb/9 0.9 hr/9 2.25 k/bb .238
Zito 3.83 era 1.40 whip 6.2 k/9 4.0 bb/9 1.1 hr/9 1.6 k/bb .257

Seriously, why would you think Zito is better then Schmidt?

Schmidt is better at every statistical category that a pitcher can
control, except maybe for all the press Zito gets telling everyone how
great he is.

Zito's still living off the rep from some great seasons a few years
ago, but he hasn't pitched at that level since. He'll be able to cash
in on that rep I'm sure, but as long as its not the Phils tossing
their money away I'll be happy. Not that I wouldn't mind having him
on the Phils staff, but he won't rate his rate.

Swyck

How many years will you have to give Schmidt? He is 33 compared to Zito's
28 Did you know that Schmidt mad 10 million this year? I can bet he'll
want at least 12 million for anywhere between 3 and 5 years. Oh, I'll take
Zito ... besides He'll be teamed up with Peterson .. his pitching coach in
Oakland back in the day.





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Do you think Zito will want less?????
I would give (offer) Schmidt 7.5 million with insentives that could take him
to 12.5 and above. Something like finishing first in league ERA 2 million
bonus with 100,000 deduction for every postion below that. So if he
finishes 8th next year in ERA it would be 2 million minus 800,000 as a bonus
or 1.2 million bonus. Then add $50,000 for every game started which would
add another 1.6 million for 32 starts and add a 2 million incentive for
leading the league in the WHIP category. Minus 100,000 for every postion he
finishes below among qualifying starters. He finished 10th this year for a
1 million bonus. His salary this year would have been 11.3 million and he
would have won about 18 games for the Phils (maybe more) Thats only about 2
million more than Randy Wolf made. Maybe add 50,000 for Innings Pitched
over 175, 200, 225, which would have given him another 100,000.

Winning the ERA title and the Whip title with 225 or more innings and
hitting .300 would bring his salary to about 13.5 million which would still
be less than what Mussina/Johnson/Clemens are making but about on par for
Clemens performance the last few years.

I'd even offer a bonus of 50,000 if he hits above .200 and another 50,000
for every 25 points above that. Batting .300 gives him another 250,000.
$5000 for every sacrifice bunt that he lays down successfully.

Do you think either Schmidt or Zito would go for that? I would be willing
to bet that Schmidt wants 12 million a year guaranteed. Why would a free
agent with a good record take less then he made the previous year? Do you
know who Schmidt's agent is? I know that Zito's agent is Philly's 3rd
favorite person after T.O. and J.D. Drew(the 3rd person being Scott Boras).
That means that Zito won't be coming to Philly at any rate.




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I basically agree that Zito probably wont' be coming to phillie and I don't
think that its any loss to Philly. His agent will probably seek 15 million
guaranteed and probably the Yanks are the only team to spend that kind of
money with the loss of Seffields contract. Boston soaked a big contract
into Beckett which is backfiring. That is why I suggest incentive laden
contracts for the top players. Why is Schidt or any player worth 12
million guaranteed Just because of what he has done in the past?? Or any
player for that matter. These High dollar / low performance contracts are
hurting the teams abilties to put together winning teams. But that being
said, IF someone like a Schmidt would happen to lead the league in both ERA
and Whip probably a 15 million figure would be more on par with whats
happening in baseball. But if you guarantee players 12 million and then
they perform like a Jon Leiber, I'd rather pay Leiber 2.5 million and take
the chance of him performing like a Jason Schmidt.

If I were a player and had abilities, I would seriously consider incentive
laden contracts as long as superior performance would be rewarded with
superior payment. It would allowt the team to know that $$ spent =
performance on the field.

Was Arod worth 25 million this year?? or any year when compared to other 3rd
basemen around the leagues?

Or on the other hand take Ryan Howard. Any ethical team should have gone
to Howard at the beginning of the year and said.... Ryan, in the unlikely
event that you lead the league in Hr and RBI's it will be a 1 million bonus
for each category led. If you lead the league in stolen bases, we'll throw
in another 1 ....no... 2 million. Paying Howard 375,000 for his
performance is equally unjust as paying Randy Wolf 9 million for his (lack
of) performance.
TG