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10-11-2006, 01:52 AM

Thermos

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On 9 Oct 2006 08:07:01 -0700, "Thermos" <cfbltw@adelphia.net> wrote: > >Jim Tiberio wrote: >> I was talking to a buddy today who is a Yankee fan. Unfortunately, he spent >> the day at the hospital because his little girl broke her arm. He said >> people at the hospital were saying Cashman and Torre are both gone. >> Unfounded rumor or are there any news outlets saying this too? All I've >> seen is the Torre stuff. > >I wouldn't be surprised if Cashman quit if George went over his head >and fired Torre. It undermines exactly what the deal was alleged to be >when Cashman said he'd stay. George go over Cashman's head? I think you forget who reports to whom.

Well, no, actually. I am remembering what the alleged deal was when Cashman stayed. I'm remembering what George said every time he has been asked about decisions related to the management of the team. And, I am remembering what Cashman said on Saturday evening. If George fires Torre, its against the wishes of the GM he said was running the team.

How hard do you think Cashman (and perhaps Swindal) will fight for Joe? Pete Abe thinks the longer this drags out the higher the likelihood that George would reconsider but I don't know. I can't say for sure but I don't think Cash would tab Lou as his top pick of his shortlist of successors. I'm wondering if George and Cashman would give and take a little. If George is that set on getting rid of Torre then perhaps Cashman could at least have a major influence in picking the next manager. I'm not sure if that's how it'll go down tomorrow in Tampa. I thought the annual winter soap opera was a thing of the past but who was I kidding? I wonder if George would settle for anyone other than Lou.

Well, as my prior posts suggested, I read Cashman's comments as
suggesting he'd fight pretty hard and given the result it seems he did
and was able to calm the old man down. Like I've said before, Torre's
far from perfect but I am terrified to see how bad it can get again
when his replacement comes in. Most managers are as bad as he is
tactically and few are likely to be as good managing people below or
above him. The best we can hope for is no net negative effect. The
worst is Stump II or Billy VI (I think that's the one where he goes to
fight the Russian. Or was it the one with Mr. T?)

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10-11-2006, 02:23 AM

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Well, as my prior posts suggested, I read Cashman's comments as suggesting he'd fight pretty hard and given the result it seems he did and was able to calm the old man down. Like I've said before, Torre's far from perfect but I am terrified to see how bad it can get again when his replacement comes in. Most managers are as bad as he is tactically and few are likely to be as good managing people below or above him. The best we can hope for is no net negative effect.

Madden mentioned that Donnie is Cashman's preferred heir. I don't know
how reliable that is but Madden always had very good sources within the
Yankee organization. That's just an impossible situation at this
point. If there's any truth to this I really hope Donnie manages
Scranton or Trenton next season (Stick managed the Clippers and Dick
Howser managed Fort Lauderdale in 1979 and George groomed both of those
guys. Stick was the GM in 1980 and obviously Dick was the manager).
This playoff loss upset whatever timetable Brian might've had since Joe
is a lame duck IMO.

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The worst is Stump II or Billy VI (I think that's the one where he goes to fight the Russian. Or was it the one with Mr. T?)

Heh. Stump was the worst of George's years.

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10-11-2006, 03:33 AM

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On 10 Oct 2006 19:23:54 -0700, "BadgerBC"
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This playoff loss upset whatever timetable Brian might've had since Joeis a lame duck IMO.

I don't think being a lame duck as a baseball manager has much meaning
in terms of actual effect on clubhouse dynamics and on field play.
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10-11-2006, 04:03 AM

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On 10 Oct 2006 19:23:54 -0700, "BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3819@hotmail.com> wrote:

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This playoff loss upset whatever timetable Brian might've had since Joeis a lame duck IMO.

I don't think being a lame duck as a baseball manager has much meaning in terms of actual effect on clubhouse dynamics and on field play.

We hope not but if they struggle next year (say a slow start like last
year) it's possible he could lose the ballclub. That's one thing we
always could count on as the club didn't quit on him last year or this
year when they faced adversity. It's impossible to say how it'll work
out. I've seen a lot of teams quit on lame duck managers and play out
a string. Then again, if they struggle George might not wait around
and fire him midseason. All I hope is Brian speeds up the preparation
for Joe's successor whoever that might be. If Donnie is in fact his
preference then he needs to get some managing experience starting this
winter and possible in Scranton or Trenton next season.

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10-12-2006, 06:45 AM

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On 10 Oct 2006 21:03:09 -0700, "BadgerBC"
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Pepe Papon wrote:

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On 10 Oct 2006 19:23:54 -0700, "BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3819@hotmail.com> wrote:

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This playoff loss upset whatever timetable Brian might've had since Joeis a lame duck IMO.

I don't think being a lame duck as a baseball manager has much meaning in terms of actual effect on clubhouse dynamics and on field play.

We hope not but if they struggle next year (say a slow start like lastyear) it's possible he could lose the ballclub.

I'd be pretty surprised. If there's one thing Joe is good at, it's
keeping the respect of his players. I doubt that being in the final
year of his contract will change that.

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10-12-2006, 02:34 PM

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Pepe Papon wrote:

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> This playoff loss upset whatever timetable Brian might've had since Joe> is a lame duck IMO.
I don't think being a lame duck as a baseball manager has much meaning in terms of actual effect on clubhouse dynamics and on field play.
We hope not but if they struggle next year (say a slow start like last year) it's possible he could lose the ballclub.
I'd be pretty surprised. If there's one thing Joe is good at, it's keeping the respect of his players. I doubt that being in the final year of his contract will change that.

"Losing the ballclub" has little meaning when it comes to a lineup like
the yankees. What are the players going to do if Joe "loses" them? Stop
believing in themselves and their ability to win?

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