On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:57:09 GMT, Phil <phil@nomail.com> gave us:


Nobody abuses Roy on Usenet more consistently than I do. It's the
characterization of all Midwesterners to which I object, particularly
when it comes from those who complain long and loud to any
generalizations about themselves.

--
Lance

"What do we do with all that extra Mongo Chow?"
David G. Hall after the firing of Bud Dickman

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Lance Freezeland wrote:


You seem to have little patience with me, true. I suppose you spend
all of yours own racist homophobes.

s/

"Phil" <phil@nomail.com> wrote in message
news:2006101109570616807-phil@nomailcom...

He just doesn't like Barry.

BWG

On 2006-10-11 16:35:16 -0400, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> said:


I see. I was hoping you had a unilateral sense of moral outrage, rather
than a double standard.

However, what Barry did wasn't a characterization of Midwesteners in
general. It was a characterization of Roy, in sharp relief to Roy's
characterization of the "Mets crowd", which you didn't mention any
objection to...

Lance Freezeland wrote:
That's a nice theory...but I don't see you offering your services to
Sam, er...sam and Paul, so the general assumption here (meaning me) is
that he is the one you most often agree with. And to agree with Joey is
not something I suspect anyone would be proud of. (Excuse my annoying
habit of ending a sentence with a preposition. It's my day off and I
don't want to work hard at writing. So that's what I did that for.)

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 15:31:58 -0500, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nospam@consolidated.net> wrote:


Free will, Lance. Don't blame your own behavior on others.


Not at all. You can keep spinning this all you like, Lance, but you
can't take the New York out of the New York Mets. The fact is that
all of this "pond scum" stuff originated because of midwestern
resentment of New York and New Yorkers, largely fed by a
misconception that the Cardinals, who failed to win the title in 1985,
had not been given their due by the national media.


The anger at Hernandez, I could understand. The rest, though,
seemed to have been born mostly of jealousy and resentment.
The general public knew nothing about Strawberry or Gooden's personal
problems at that point, and nobody seemed to have a problem with Gary
Carter when he was with the Expos. It seemed to me that the real
object of the fans' anger was the New York uniform, and not so much
the players who were wearing it.


And those folks in the stands who bought up the t-shirts and chanted
"New York sucks"? Were they just voicing their concern because
some of the players liked to hit the bars at night? Let's be
honest, Lance. People like this Corcoran fellow and your pal Roy
were merely taking their cues from Whitey Herzog, who was forever
indicting the media as biased toward New York and bemoaning the
alleged lack of attention paid to his own team. This whole "pond
scum" business was nothing more than a jealous reaction to New York
and New Yorkers, not to the individuals on the ballclub. Had
Carter, Strawberry and Johnson been wearing Kansas City jerseys, it
would never have happened, and we both know it.


If you want to take it that way, okay, but I consider it nothing
more than a perfectly justifiable response. People who troll
this newsgroup and insult us are going to be treated in kind.
End of story.


The season series in St. Louis that year.


It doesn't matter. The post didn't just limit itself to posters in
this newsgroup. It was a blanket slam at Mets' fan, the vast
majority of whom _are_ NYC area residents.


No, Lance. You choose to read something into that post
that wasn't there. It's remarkable how you'll go to all sorts of
lengths to give a racist loon like Jolly the benefit of the doubt, but
when it's someone whom you don't agree with, you'll immediately
leap to your own conclusions. I suppose that's your prerogative,
but let's not pretend that you do it out of a sense of fairness.


When someone comes into a rival team's newsgroup and slams the fans
there as "pond scum," that's my definition of trolling.


Being one doesn't necessarily preclude the other.