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Old 10-11-2006, 02:47 AM
Sam Hutcheson Sam Hutcheson is offline
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Dale Hicks wrote:
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In article <1160496312.743214.121360@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.c om>, samh@bellsouth.net says...
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Colin William wrote:
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Sam Hutcheson wrote: > As a free agent I definately go after him, at least to see what his > price tag is. With the understanding that if you sign him cheap and he hits well through May that he'll start talking about wanting more and not getting any respect for his work...
Yeah. It's not like he's tanked seasons.
The Milwaukee Brewers are on line one.


With no evidence.

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Old 10-11-2006, 06:05 AM
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On October 10 2006, Dick Sidbury <DrJamesSidbury@hotmail.com> wrote:
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In article <1160494434.105319.75850@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.co m>, "Sam Hutcheson" <samh@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Alan Honeycutt wrote:
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Colin William wrote:>> What's his price tag, how much of that will NYY take and what do>> they want in return?>> For some reason I thought he had an option with NY that they might> not pick up. Could be mistaken, though. Right you are. $13m option for 2007. Doubtful that even NYY would pick that up.
As a free agent I definately go after him, at least to see what his price tag is. s/
offer him a modest contract heavily laden with incentives. say 5 million that can balloon to 12 million if he turns into McCarver's view of Derek jeter. dick


Unfortunately you can't load a contract like that. No performance
bonuses though you can have escalation clauses for games/AB/awards.
There is also a nebulous term "not significant proportion of salary."

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Old 10-11-2006, 01:09 PM
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In article <00060910220204.OUI07.davidxn@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm>,
davidxn@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm (dn) wrote:
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On October 10 2006, Dick Sidbury <DrJamesSidbury@hotmail.com> wrote:
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In article <1160494434.105319.75850@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.co m>, "Sam Hutcheson" <samh@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Alan Honeycutt wrote:> Colin William wrote:>>> What's his price tag, how much of that will NYY take and what do>>> they want in return?>>>> For some reason I thought he had an option with NY that they might>> not pick up. Could be mistaken, though.>> Right you are. $13m option for 2007. Doubtful that even NYY would> pick that up. As a free agent I definately go after him, at least to see what his price tag is. s/
offer him a modest contract heavily laden with incentives. say 5 million that can balloon to 12 million if he turns into McCarver's view of Derek jeter. dick
Unfortunately you can't load a contract like that. No performance bonuses though you can have escalation clauses for games/AB/awards. There is also a nebulous term "not significant proportion of salary."


It was reported that Frank Thomas signed with Oakland for 500k and
incentives carried his salary for this season to 3.5m.

dick
-- but that was ESPN so it's likely wrong. And can't you have
performance bonuses of the form "top 10 in <name your favorite stat>"?
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Old 10-12-2006, 04:40 AM
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On October 11 2006, Dick Sidbury <DrJamesSidbury@hotmail.com> wrote:
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In article <00060910220204.OUI07.davidxn@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm>, davidxn@cxrxlxnx.rr.cxm (dn) wrote:
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On October 10 2006, Dick Sidbury <DrJamesSidbury@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> In article <1160494434.105319.75850@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.co m>, "Sam Hutcheson" <samh@bellsouth.net> wrote:> Alan Honeycutt wrote:>> Colin William wrote:>>>> What's his price tag, how much of that will NYY take and what do>>>>>>> they want in return?>>>>>> For some reason I thought he had an option with NY that they>>> might not pick up. Could be mistaken, though.>>>> Right you are. $13m option for 2007. Doubtful that even NYY>> would pick that up.>> As a free agent I definately go after him, at least to see what his> price tag is.>> s/ offer him a modest contract heavily laden with incentives. say 5 million that can balloon to 12 million if he turns into McCarver's view of Derek jeter. dick
Unfortunately you can't load a contract like that. No performance bonuses though you can have escalation clauses for games/AB/awards. There is also a nebulous term "not significant proportion of salary."
It was reported that Frank Thomas signed with Oakland for 500k and incentives carried his salary for this season to 3.5m. dick -- but that was ESPN so it's likely wrong. And can't you have performance bonuses of the form "top 10 in <name your favorite stat>"?




The whole concept is what you can reward and what you can't issomewhat
screwy. I don't think you can do Top 10 in performance counting stats,
but I'll have to search for the answer. Thomas'contract is a bit
strange and has a large amount of extras, but almost all are based
on Playing Time or staying off the DL -- except for the Gold Glove
incentive which must be an inside joke for his agent. I think you can
do Top 10 of things like MVP of Cy's, but I'm not sure it's
allowed for onfield performance.


Frank Thomas:

# signed as a free agent 1/06
# $1.4M in roster bonuses (if on active ML roster or on DL with injury
unrelated to left foot problem)

* $0.325M each on May 1 & June 15

* $0.375M each on July 15 & Aug. 15

# $1.2M in incentives

* $0.2M each for 300, 350, 400, 450, 500 & 550 Plate Appearances

# $50,000 bonus for Gold Glove

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Old 10-12-2006, 02:19 PM
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dn wrote:
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Thomas'contract is a bit strange and has a large amount of extras, but almost all are based on Playing Time or staying off the DL -- except for the Gold Glove incentive which must be an inside joke for his agent.
# $50,000 bonus for Gold Glove


Hilarious. Then again, Palmiero once proved that it only takes 28 games
worth of defense to win a GG.


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