Dave Bismo wrote:

Dave,

Some of the early indications (and I tend to trust Peter Abraham) are
that George in his typical fashion blew up on Saturday and might've
contacted Lou through intermediaries. It certainly wouldn't be the
first time that's happened as I still recall his immediate reaction
after game 2 ALCS in 1980 when Mike Ferraro the third base coach was on
his sights as proxy for Howser. You have to remember that George
changes his mind often depending on the mood. In 1995 after he had let
Showalter's contract expire and announced the hiring of Torre, he was
stunned by the negative reaction of the public and the media that he
drove two hours to Showalter's home in Florida to ask him to come back.
When Buck asked him about Torre, he told him he'd make Joe a VP of
something else. To his credit Buck declined and moved on to AZ.

I think George may have decided to fire him impulsively and changed his
mind when Cashman, Swindal and supposedly Derek made the case to bring
back Joe. Perhaps Madden's source was one of the Tampa kitchen cabinet
(Emslie, Connors etc.) who was present when George blew up. Remember
this was a very unusual year in that George actually guaranteed the
Yanks to win it all (he'd never done that in the past as he's
ridiculously superstitious).

On 10 Oct 2006 18:21:39 -0700, "BadgerBC"
<neilrichardson3819@hotmail.com> quacked:


As I had indicated, there certainly was a lot of smoke, so I agree
that some real stuff was going on. I just was skeptical, not making
any prediction and not claiming now to have been right.

I really do not have a good feel for the A-Rod matter. He would be
very hard to move and impossible to get value for. The issue is how
much does his set of problems hurt the team. He won't be moved because
some team mates hate him, but the fan abuse seems to have gotten so
strong that perhaps something has to be done. If something HAS to be
done, then it is normal for Cashman to be assuring people that ARod
will stay --- otherwise he is even harder to move.

-McDuck

McDuck wrote:


If I had to take a guess, ARod is finishing out his contract in NY but
I think there might be plenty of inquiries. You have to remember that
the team that gets him will be paying 16mil per until 2010. Tejada
will make 14mil per until 2009 and Bill Stoneman (who is a tough
negotiator) offered Santana and Aybar for him midseason. They are both
the same age and Tejada's career OPS+ is 114 (ARod has 145). Even in
his terrible season this year ARod finished with 140 while Tejada
finished at 128. Any team that takes him will likely move him back to
SS to make him comfortable again. The question is will ARod lift his
no-trade and I can't see him doing that unless it's to a contending
team. The real interesting part will be what will happen when Theo
places Manny on the market. We have to suppose that only five or six
teams can afford either of them financially but ARod makes 16mil while
Manny is due 22mil. And I think Soriano will get more than 16mil for 5
years and Carlos Lee will get 15mil for 5 yrs as well. However a big
market team may decide spending money is preferable to forking over top
prospects despite the obvious fact that ARod and Manny are much better
players.

"BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3819@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1160537767.935849.299260@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
Where are you getting your numbers for Manny? He will get $18M next year
and $4M of that will be deferred, it's not $18M + $4M deferred.

Jim Tiberio wrote:


His total contract is 168mil. Add the salaries from 2001-2008. They
come out to 144mil. 4M deferred is part of 31M which may account for
the low interest on the deferred amount.


http://asp.usatoday.com/sports/base...rez&player=1684

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/20...on-red-sox.html


Manny Ramirez of/DH
8 years/$168M (2001-08), plus 2009-10 club options

signed as free agent 12/00
$16M signing bonus paid over 5 years
01:$13M, 02:$15.5M, 03:$18M, 04:$20.5M, 05:$20M, 06:$19M, 07:$18M,
08:$20M, 09:$20M club option, 10:$20M club option
$1M bonus if traded
$31M deferred ($3M in 2001, $4M each 2002-08) (paid out in 16 annual
installments of $1.94M, 2011-2026)

$75,000 bonus for finishing 4th in 2005 AL MVP vote
$75,000 All Star incentive
MVP incentives
$0.2M for 1st place in voting
$0.125M for 2nd
$0.1M for 3rd
$75,000 for 4th
$50,000 for 5th

$0.15M for ALCS or World Series MVP

receives no-trade clause if another Boston player receives one

"BadgerBC" <neilrichardson3819@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'll look around some more, I don't recall seeing $168M anywhere, here is
what I was looking at:

Inside Manny's Ramirez's contract
DALLAS - Details of the record $160 million, eight-year contract agreed to
by Manny Ramirez and the Boston Red Sox, as obtained by The Associated
Press:
Overall
Signing bonus - $16 million, paid from 2001-05
2001 - $13 million, of which $3 million deferred
2002 - $15.5 million, of which $4 million deferred
2003 - $18 million, of which $4 million deferred
2004 - $20.5 million, of which $4 million deferred
2005 - $20 million, of which $4 million deferred
2006 - $19 million, of which $4 million deferred
2007 - $18 million, of which $4 million deferred
2008 - $20 million, of which $4 million deferred
2009 - $20 million (team option)
2010 - $20 million (team option)
Signing bonus
$16 million to be paid over five years: $6 million in 2001, $3 million each
in 2002, 2003 and 2004, and $1 million in 2005.
Award bonuses
All-Star selection - $75,000
Silver Slugger - $75,000
League championship series MVP - $150,000
World Series MVP - $150,000
Most Valuable Player - $200,000
MVP second place - $125,000
MVP third place - $100,000
MVP fourth place - $75,000
MVP fifth place - $50,000

Relocation bonus
$1 million if traded.
No-trade protection
None, but he gets a complete or limited no-trade clause matching any the Red
Sox give to any other player.
Charity
Ramirez will donate $1 million from his contract to Boston-area charities
aiding Hispanic youth.

Add the salaries from 2001-2008. They