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Old 03-09-2006, 03:39 AM
Dr. Wayne Simon Dr. Wayne Simon is offline
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Default I defy you non diabetics to take insulin

Bonds is accused of taking the anabolic pancreatic endocrine hormone
insulin. Insulin taken in non-diabetics is potentially more damaging than
anabolic steroids. In a non-diabetic, even after a heavy calorie intake,
insulin can induce hypoglycemia. Hypoglycemia and coma. Coma and even
death. Insulin also drives potassium and phosphorus into the cell, and out
of the extracellular and vascular space. It can cause acute hypokalemia,
(decreased serum potassium) and hypophosphatemia. (both of witch are
dangerous, can cause acute cardiac arrhythmias, and death) Is Bonds a
diabetic or not? If he is than insulin is appropriate? If he is not, than
non-medically supervised use of insulin is extremely dangerous. Insulin
induced weight gain, is not only gain in muscle tissue, but also gain in fat
tissue. However, if Barry is innoncent, or only guilty of unknowingly
taking the clear and the cream thinking they were something else, then he
should have a massive law suit against these guys for slander, libel. One
other part of the story which I find hard to believe, is that Barry was
jealous of McGuire and Sosa. Seems to me that is very unlikely and very
un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the
article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a
bit of a modern day lynching. Accusations, and circumstantial evidence may
be enough for most sports writers, and non-giants fans, but so not see that
as positive proof. If baseball has positive tests from Barry, they need to
come out with it now. If he has tested negative consistently, they need to
come out with that now. Now more than before, I hope Barry takes the
homerun record and leads his team to a world series victory. I hope these
attacks give him more resolve.


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Old 03-09-2006, 04:27 AM
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
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un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a bit of a modern day lynching.



Ladies and gentlemen -- what we have here is a textbook modern day
example of "playing the race card."


W

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Old 03-09-2006, 04:50 AM
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"Wretch" <wretch1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
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un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a bit of a modern day lynching.
Ladies and gentlemen -- what we have here is a textbook modern day example of "playing the race card." W


I'm not sure where you reside, but i live in a very liberal county in a very
red state and section of the country. The south. Rascism to me is not the
race card, it is current, it is there, and it is palpable. If you think
folks don't want to see Bonds go down before he breaks Ruths record, because
he is black, you have to be a bit naive. Maybe in SanFrancisco, a modern
cosmopolitan city, rascism does not exist. In the U.S. in the South, the
area of the country who still thinks they won the civil war, it is not the
race card, it is rascism, and it is real. At times larger than life. Good
day!


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Old 03-09-2006, 06:29 AM
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
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Maybe in SanFrancisco, a modern cosmopolitan city, rascism does not exist.


Nope, racism exists in San Francisco and the Bay Area too. It's
usually just more subtle here.

- Peter

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Old 03-09-2006, 06:44 AM
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
"I'm not sure where you reside, but i live in a very liberal county in
a very
red state and section of the country. The south. Rascism to me is not
the
race card, it is current, it is there, and it is palpable. If you
think
folks don't want to see Bonds go down before he breaks Ruths record,
because
he is black, you have to be a bit naive. Maybe in SanFrancisco, a
modern
cosmopolitan city, rascism does not exist. In the U.S. in the South,
the
area of the country who still thinks they won the civil war, it is not
the
race card, it is rascism, and it is real. At times larger than life.
Good
day!"
----------------------------------

My point is...in what sense is the exposing of an obvious cheat and
liar remotely analogous to a "lynching?" This word was obviously
chosen with malice of forethought to dredge up images of an American
black man having a rope hung around his neck and having the life choked
out of him. Whatever the motives of the embittered souls out there who
are hounding poor Barry Bonds, it's a disgrace to hint that there's any
"modern day equivalence" of a lynching being foisted upon him.

Do you have any evidence, circumstantial even, that Bonds's primary
attackers are racists??? Hell, Bonds himself has proudly revealed
thoughts that would brand any caucasian who uttered similar remarks a
racist in our day and age. You think he's most eager to pass Babe Ruth
because he likes white people or something?

So, let's hear the evidence that Bonds's arch-enemies are all racists.

W

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Old 03-09-2006, 06:55 AM
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I also heard some body builder saying if Bonds took all the stuff he's
rumored to have taken in the way he took it (ie; "handfulls of up to 20
pills") he'd be dead. No one with any pull like a reporter or radio
host will act to prove this so I'll remain apathetic and let the trolls
reign.

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Old 03-09-2006, 07:03 AM
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"Wretch" <wretch1@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote: "I'm not sure where you reside, but i live in a very liberal county in a very red state and section of the country. The south. Rascism to me is not the race card, it is current, it is there, and it is palpable. If you think folks don't want to see Bonds go down before he breaks Ruths record, because he is black, you have to be a bit naive. Maybe in SanFrancisco, a modern cosmopolitan city, rascism does not exist. In the U.S. in the South, the area of the country who still thinks they won the civil war, it is not the race card, it is rascism, and it is real. At times larger than life. Good day!" ---------------------------------- My point is...in what sense is the exposing of an obvious cheat and liar remotely analogous to a "lynching?" This word was obviously chosen with malice of forethought to dredge up images of an American black man having a rope hung around his neck and having the life choked out of him. Whatever the motives of the embittered souls out there who are hounding poor Barry Bonds, it's a disgrace to hint that there's any "modern day equivalence" of a lynching being foisted upon him. Do you have any evidence, circumstantial even, that Bonds's primary attackers are racists??? Hell, Bonds himself has proudly revealed thoughts that would brand any caucasian who uttered similar remarks a racist in our day and age. You think he's most eager to pass Babe Ruth because he likes white people or something? So, let's hear the evidence that Bonds's arch-enemies are all racists. WYes. Not the primary writers. But the flurry of response demanding he quitand his records be removed. Also he has received death threats recentlystating he would be killed if he continued on to break Ruths records. Ihave heard at two southern stadiums going to giants' games, the samesentiment. Oh your a giant fan. I that "N" better not pass Ruths record.. Maybe in SF the fan would have been kicked out of the game. Maybe not.But it brought even further support in Atlanta and Miami. Both of whichare cosmopolitan cities in the Southeast, but still have a lot of rascistremnants. Don't forget Aaron was from the south, and he was the righttype of "N". Barry is arrogant, the exact type of person the rascistsreally hate. I have no evidence and I doubt whether the authors arerascist. I do wonder in their journalistic zeal, how much evidence thatwent against Barry's use of steroids was thrown out, and how muchquestionable evidence about his use of steroids was twisted into a morelikely scenario. In other words I suspect the authors used the evidence tomake their point, and not to discredit their point. Being I did not readthe book yet, just what sports illustrated had I cannot be sure. But Ifind it hard to believe on its key premise of the article that Bonds wasjealous of McGuire and Sosa. Within the past two days I have heard fromfolks in the area that know I am a Giants fan telling me they hope that "N"gets what he deserves. So for me the evidence is right in front of my nose.I think one needs to examine why the big call to have barry retire and/orremove his accomplishments from the record books is so prevalent. Letsremove all the records from the 1990's thru 2002 and suggest that baseballwasn't played during that period, after all according to Conseco, almostall players were taking steroids. If Bonds does play this year, watchcarefully what happens, especially on the road. Especially in the South.



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Old 03-09-2006, 07:17 AM
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"Dr. Wayne Simon" wrote:
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Bonds is accused of taking the anabolic pancreatic endocrine hormone insulin. Insulin taken in non-diabetics is potentially more damaging than anabolic steroids. In a non-diabetic, even after a heavy calorie intake, insulin can induce hypoglycemia. Hypoglycemia and coma. Coma and even death. Insulin also drives potassium and phosphorus into the cell, and out of the extracellular and vascular space. It can cause acute hypokalemia, (decreased serum potassium) and hypophosphatemia. (both of witch are dangerous, can cause acute cardiac arrhythmias, and death) Is Bonds a diabetic or not? If he is than insulin is appropriate? If he is not, than non-medically supervised use of insulin is extremely dangerous. Insulin induced weight gain, is not only gain in muscle tissue, but also gain in fat tissue. However, if Barry is innoncent, or only guilty of unknowingly taking the clear and the cream thinking they were something else, then he should have a massive law suit against these guys for slander, libel. One other part of the story which I find hard to believe, is that Barry was jealous of McGuire and Sosa. Seems to me that is very unlikely and very un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a bit of a modern day lynching. Accusations, and circumstantial evidence may be enough for most sports writers, and non-giants fans, but so not see that as positive proof. If baseball has positive tests from Barry, they need to come out with it now. If he has tested negative consistently, they need to come out with that now. Now more than before, I hope Barry takes the homerun record and leads his team to a world series victory. I hope these attacks give him more resolve.


We also use insulin to drive the potassium back into cells when there's
a
sudden and near fatal rise in potassium levels.
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Bonds is accused of taking the anabolic pancreatic endocrine hormone insulin. Insulin taken in non-diabetics is potentially more damaging than anabolic steroids. In a non-diabetic, even after a heavy calorie intake, insulin can induce hypoglycemia. Hypoglycemia and coma. Coma and even death. Insulin also drives potassium and phosphorus into the cell, and out of the extracellular and vascular space. It can cause acute hypokalemia, (decreased serum potassium) and hypophosphatemia. (both of witch are dangerous, can cause acute cardiac arrhythmias, and death) Is Bonds a diabetic or not? If he is than insulin is appropriate? If he is not, than non-medically supervised use of insulin is extremely dangerous. Insulin induced weight gain, is not only gain in muscle tissue, but also gain in fat tissue. However, if Barry is innoncent, or only guilty of unknowingly taking the clear and the cream thinking they were something else, then he should have a massive law suit against these guys for slander, libel. One other part of the story which I find hard to believe, is that Barry was jealous of McGuire and Sosa. Seems to me that is very unlikely and very un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a bit of a modern day lynching. Accusations, and circumstantial evidence may be enough for most sports writers, and non-giants fans, but so not see that as positive proof. If baseball has positive tests from Barry, they need to come out with it now. If he has tested negative consistently, they need to come out with that now. Now more than before, I hope Barry takes the homerun record and leads his team to a world series victory. I hope these attacks give him more resolve.
We also use insulin to drive the potassium back into cells when there's a sudden and near fatal rise in potassium levels. Yes usually it is given as an Insulin, and dextrose 50% cocktail. So as to drive clinically dangerous hyperkalemia into the cells. The Dextrose 50% is important in these cases. Initial treatment for severe, arrhythmia producing hyperkalemia is 1 gram of calcium gluconate I.V. to decrease the cardiac irritability produced by the hyperkalemia



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Old 03-09-2006, 08:47 AM
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"Dr. Wayne Simon" wrote:
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"John Walsh" <j1walsh@lava.net> wrote in message news:440FD691.3B9962B2@lava.net...
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"Dr. Wayne Simon" wrote:
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Bonds is accused of taking the anabolic pancreatic endocrine hormone insulin. Insulin taken in non-diabetics is potentially more damaging than anabolic steroids. In a non-diabetic, even after a heavy calorie intake, insulin can induce hypoglycemia. Hypoglycemia and coma. Coma and even death. Insulin also drives potassium and phosphorus into the cell, and out of the extracellular and vascular space. It can cause acute hypokalemia, (decreased serum potassium) and hypophosphatemia. (both of witch are dangerous, can cause acute cardiac arrhythmias, and death) Is Bonds a diabetic or not? If he is than insulin is appropriate? If he is not, than non-medically supervised use of insulin is extremely dangerous. Insulin induced weight gain, is not only gain in muscle tissue, but also gain in fat tissue. However, if Barry is innoncent, or only guilty of unknowingly taking the clear and the cream thinking they were something else, then he should have a massive law suit against these guys for slander, libel. One other part of the story which I find hard to believe, is that Barry was jealous of McGuire and Sosa. Seems to me that is very unlikely and very un-Barry. Again I do not know if Barry took steroids or not, but the article and the onslaught of the press to attack this guy does seem to be a bit of a modern day lynching. Accusations, and circumstantial evidence may be enough for most sports writers, and non-giants fans, but so not see that as positive proof. If baseball has positive tests from Barry, they need to come out with it now. If he has tested negative consistently, they need to come out with that now. Now more than before, I hope Barry takes the homerun record and leads his team to a world series victory. I hope these attacks give him more resolve.
We also use insulin to drive the potassium back into cells when there's a sudden and near fatal rise in potassium levels. Yes usually it is given as an Insulin, and dextrose 50% cocktail. So as to drive clinically dangerous hyperkalemia into the cells. The Dextrose 50% is important in these cases. Initial treatment for severe, arrhythmia producing hyperkalemia is 1 gram of calcium gluconate I.V. to decrease the cardiac irritability produced by the hyperkalemia


This more related to on-pump bypasses. Anesthesia usually resolves the
problem
quickly.
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