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Old 06-20-2006, 01:46 PM
s_knight8 s_knight8 is offline
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n
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Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he
would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes
he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they
drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and
not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better,
then what am I here for?"

Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an
owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks.

One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage
a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes
and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game.

As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal
critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting
the benefit of the doubt from officials.

Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players
getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.

Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points
early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a
pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime.

Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting
with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry
on the floor.

"I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."

An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a
backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on
replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt.

"My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball
in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.

Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs
insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot
so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt.

"Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a
timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it,
simple as that."

Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25
free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a
total of 49 free throws.

"I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled
more."


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Old 06-20-2006, 02:13 PM
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s_knight8 wrote:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better, then what am I here for?"


not all the owners consider it their objective of ownership to change
the league into something of their own making.
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Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks. One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game. As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials. Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.


stack's suspension was uncalled for. the other two are league rules,
automatic suspensions.
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Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime. Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor. "I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."


he didn't complain that nowitzki charged into posey with posey getting
called for a blocking foul. dismissable.
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An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt. "My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.


my understanding = wishful thinking. it's clear that it's not clear in
the rulebook for that situation.
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Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt. "Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."


i sure wish that somebody would do some major video analysis of this so
we can quit getting two different stories. somebody is lying.
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Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."


cuban never complains when the mavs shoot more free throws. it's
completely dismissable due to that alone.

the mavs are trying to gather pebbles to build a dam. it's not working.

dave

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Old 06-20-2006, 02:17 PM
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"Dave McNulla" <mcnulla@gmail.com> wrote in message
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s_knight8 wrote:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better, then what am I here for?"
not all the owners consider it their objective of ownership to change the league into something of their own making.
Quote:
Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks. One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game. As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials. Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.
stack's suspension was uncalled for. the other two are league rules, automatic suspensions.
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Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime. Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor. "I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."
he didn't complain that nowitzki charged into posey with posey getting called for a blocking foul. dismissable.
Quote:
An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt. "My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.
my understanding = wishful thinking. it's clear that it's not clear in the rulebook for that situation.
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Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt. "Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."
i sure wish that somebody would do some major video analysis of this so we can quit getting two different stories. somebody is lying.
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Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."
cuban never complains when the mavs shoot more free throws. it's completely dismissable due to that alone. the mavs are trying to gather pebbles to build a dam. it's not working.


still have the blues because they knocked you out of the playoffs??? :-)


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Old 06-20-2006, 02:39 PM
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bozak wrote:
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"Dave McNulla" <mcnulla@gmail.com> wrote in message still have the blues because they knocked you out of the playoffs??? :-)


yep.

dave

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Old 06-20-2006, 02:39 PM
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"s_knight8" <s_knight8nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat.


GOOD!

SELL the team you WHINY FUCK.

Jesus does ANYONE dig their own press more than THIS idiot?

Venger


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Old 06-20-2006, 04:25 PM
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s_knight8 wrote:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns Asked Monday night in an interview on Dallas television station WFAA if he would consider selling the team if he didn't see some of the league changes he wants, Cuban snapped his fingers and said "In a heartbeat. Yeah, if they drive me that crazy, in a heartbeat. "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing any different results. If they don't want to make things better, then what am I here for?"


actually, i consider the definition of insanity the reverse of his.
doing the exact same thing every time with different results. i.e. no
consistency at all from the officials. from game to game, ref to ref,
from play to play even. what is a foul sometimes at one end, is not
always a foul at the other end some of the time.

(yes, thats intentianally written all goofy, so calm down grammar nazis.)
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Cuban practically turned getting fined into an art form after going from an owner of season tickets to owning the Mavericks. One comment about him not hiring the league's head of officiating to manage a Dairy Queen landed Cuban as a manager for a day; he also donned pinstripes and officiated a Harlem Globetrotters game. As his team improved, there were fewer stunts. He remained a visible, vocal critic, though, enough for some to suggest that his team ends up not getting the benefit of the doubt from officials. Mavs supporters have brought that up again in the wake of three players getting suspended this postseason, with Stackhouse the most recent.


i think we all agree that the stackhouse suspension was way too much for
the crime. hell, it wasnt even a flagrant 2. the other 2 though, i
still cant see why anyone even tries to dispute them.
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Dallas had a chance to win without its top reserve, leading by 11 points early and by four late in the fourth quarter. Miami ended up winning on a pair of free throws by Dwyane Wade with 1.9 seconds left in overtime. Cuban had several gripes about the play that sent Wade to the line, starting with Wade not being whistled for a collision that left Dallas' Jason Terry on the floor. "I guess that's not a call," Cuban said. "I guess that's not a foul."


ref didnt call it. so obviously it wasnt.
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An assistant coach later showed Cuban that Wade appeared to commit a backcourt violation before the contact with Terry. It's hard to tell on replays because of the giant championship trophy logo at midcourt. "My understanding from the rule book is, if you are going to catch the ball in the backcourt, you have to be in the backcourt to catch it," Cuban said.


the rule book is vague on this point. this had better be looked at in
the offseason, and the rule re-written. as is, you really cant blame
the refs for the call.

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Between Wade's free throws, Dallas was charged its final timeout. The Mavs insist they were only talking about calling it after Wade's second foul shot so they could set up a final play and move the ball to the frontcourt. "Josh Howard goes to Joe DeRosa and not only once, but twice asks for a timeout," crew chief Joey Crawford told a pool reporter. "Forced to call it, simple as that."


you could see him signal the time out to the ref on the original
broadcast replay. again, how is this the ref's fault?

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Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."


pay no mind to the fact that the team intentionally fouled shaq quite a
bit through the game.

but cuban never seemed the type to let facts get in the way of a good story.

lee
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Old 06-20-2006, 04:58 PM
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He will never sell the team. Its is passion. He will be around to keep it
interesting for a long time. I thinks the Mavs will stay competitive for a
long time also.
I think its fun watching someone stiring the pot.


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Old 06-20-2006, 05:11 PM
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Lee Watkins wrote:
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s_knight8 wrote:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns

Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more." pay no mind to the fact that the team intentionally fouled shaq quite a bit through the game.


That doesn't explain why Wade took as many FT's as the rest of the
Mavs. And I can't seem to find a quarter by quarter breakdown, but it
seemed like a lot of those FT's came in the fourth quarter. Not that
that in itself means anything.

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Old 06-20-2006, 05:34 PM
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Lee Watkins <spamisforsandwiches-lwatkins@falcon.tamucc.edu> wrote:
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...8vLYF?slug=ap-n bafinals-cuban&prov=ap&type=lgns Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more."pay no mind to the fact that the team intentionally fouled shaq quite abit through the game.but cuban never seemed the type to let facts get in the way of a good story.


Well, some facts: there were only 4 Hack-A-Shaqs and just 2 of those
resulted in free throws and those 2 came late in the 4th quarter when
Miami already had a huge free throw advantage. (And the other 2 came
in overtime and didn't result in Dallas getting in the penalty.)

BTW, it's not only Mavs fans who had a problem with the game. Bill
Simmons, who grew up watching the Celtics, has a new article at
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page...=simmons/060620
and includes some fan mail from people around the country complaining
about the game.


patricia
Go Mavs!


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Old 06-20-2006, 05:34 PM
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Lee Watkins wrote:
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s_knight8 wrote:
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Something else Mavericks followers are quick to note: Wade alone took 25 free throws, the same number as the entire Dallas team. The Heat took a total of 49 free throws. "I don't know," Cuban said of the wide discrepancy. "I guess they got fouled more." pay no mind to the fact that the team intentionally fouled shaq quite a bit through the game.
That doesn't explain why Wade took as many FT's as the rest of the Mavs. And I can't seem to find a quarter by quarter breakdown, but it seemed like a lot of those FT's came in the fourth quarter. Not that that in itself means anything.


He took more FTs than mavs because he kept driving to the rim getting fouls.
Whereas the mavs were doing the fading jumpshot thing for the most part. Wade
kept attacking once he realized his shots weren't dropping. In that 3rd quarter,
you could tell he got his shot on track my shooting all those FTs by attacking,
and forcing the defense. That 2nd half performance is one of the best you will
ever see. Nowitzki hit a lot of great jumpers too. It's a shame that the mavs
have to be such crying pussies afterwards.


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