according to KJR Sports radio in Seattle Paul Allen has taken the Blazers
off the market fueling obvious speculation of a wait to move to Seattle
after the Sonics leave for the trailer parks of Tornado Alley.


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Charles Beauchamp wrote:

well, he's taken them off the market, if thats true (which imho, it
is), but it's not because he's waitng to move the team to Seattle.

I really really really REALLY wish people would catch a clue (not you
CB). He's not moving the team, and the only "source" behind him wanting
a team in Seattle (in the first place) was Canzano.

which means it's purely bullshit.

"Blazer Fan Dan" <BlazerFanDan@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1153804383.555084.166080@b28g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...

Seems kind of hard to believe after all his whining about losing money that
he'd sink a ton of it into building a new arena & it's fairly certain the
citizens of Seattle are not about to watch a pile of their tax dollars go
towards building one.

Maybe our team will stay here long enough to make everyone forget the Jail
Blazers moniker?

Go Blazers !

Blazer Fan Dan wrote:

Good thing you are in the "know." Oh wait..your only Dan the Blazerfan.
Whatever.

The obvious answer is that he is leveraging the city of Portland now. And
that leverage is only leverage if..TADDAH!!! he is willing to move the team
out of Portland...to Seattle or elsewhere. What is a certainty is he didn't
take the team off the market to keep the same lousy lease he is under right
now. The one that Portlanders keep insisting is "ironclad" and has the rest
of the world laughing about.

This thing is going to turn into market vs. market. Right now Seattle fans
who are paying attention are hoping that the Hornets screw New Orleans and
snap up Oklahoma City to buy Seattle time.
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President Clinton 5 May 1995

Swillabrew wrote:

Speaking of your wishful thinking fanatics...there is zero chance that Allen
took the Blazers off the market expecting to have the same lease currently
in place. If the city of Portland isn't approaching him about changing the
arrangement already then he obviously intends to take his team elsewhere.
Nashville? Kansas City? New Orleans? Tacoma?
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:00:51 -0700, "Charles Beauchamp"
<C.E.Beauchamp@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:


your logic about Allen's intentions at least have the aspect of some
logic...don't expect Dan to agree with any of it then.

Allen has made several "moves" in the last few years which can only
mean about three things: either he is an imbecile (plenty of evidence
for that) or that he want's to sell or move.

The way that David Stern got " involved" with the negotiations and
then in short order...before anything was actually proposed....threw
his hands in the air, said it was hopeless, and blamed it all on the
owners of the Rose Garden was transparent bullshit.

Allen and his employees have said repeatedly that the current
"businees model" of the blazers was broken in reference to the idiotic
situation where the blazers don't 'own' their arena. And it's highly
unlikely that their has been any secret agreement for the blazers to
buy back the facility.

So what has changed lately that would make Allen take the blazers off
the market??? About the only thing that I can think of is the sale of
the Sonics.

And the idea that this new "development" will give Allen more leverage
in negotiations with the city of portland doesn't compute. Paul Allen
will get no "financial considerations" from the city...won't happen.
Maybe he has a little more leverage with the owners of the RG, but
they don't seem like panic types.

The "bank shot' of the sonics moving to OC and the blazers moving to
Seattle isn't that complex and it could have been in the works when
Stern bowed out of the process a couple of months ago.

Will it happen?....I don't know, but I'd bet a lot that Allen (and his
organization) have invested more time considering that possibility
then considering leveraging money from the city or bluffing the
Prudential Investment Group out of their ownership of the Rose Garden

Charles Beauchamp wrote:


use logic chuck.


there is zero chance that Allen

yah, because he's going to buy the arena back.


If the city of Portland isn't approaching him about changing the

the thing is, the city knows that he isn't going to file bankrupcty to
get out of the lease with Portland (or the RG owners). The city also
knows that they will be paid a handsome amount of money (far more than
most of us think), and that Paul Allen isn't going to move the team
when it'll cost him more TO move it than it would to just fix the
situation...and get control of the RG again..in a city that only has 1
team.

"obviously" to you is "tin foil" to the rest of the country.

Charles Beauchamp wrote:

you can deny what or who I know, but that doesnt' change that I
actually do know it.


how can he leverage the city?

"Oh yeah? well, I'll only pay you 20 million! so neener!"

and the city will say "nope, sorry. "

than they'll have to go to court, and that'll take a while.

wil he just go "ha! the Blazers will just file bankruptcy"??

the city will go "go ahead, but the agreement is between YOU (and not
the trail blazers) and US (the city). Unless you PERSONALLY want to
file bk, the team can all it wants. that doesnt' change a damn thing."

What is a certainty is he didn't

who is laughing about it? show some links to reputable people, and not
people who think they know how things are?

lets see..the cities lawyers..check. an independant bk lawyer hired by
one of the local newspapers, check...

vs some "media guy" in another city, that just repeats the same
bullshit that canzano says (just to say it)? Uh....no check!



well, it'll suck when/if the sonics move, because they aren't getting
the blazers.

mmasw wrote:

thats all and good (cept mostly clap trap)...cept that paul allen
personally signed the agreement and moving the team will cost him more
than buying back the rg. and to file bk would open up his books to a
LOT of things..

and moving the team, after he paid the city a LOT of money, would cost
him probably 30-50 million (it cost 30 million for the hornets to
move), plus building a new arena (do you honestly think that all the
sudden because paul allen moved a team there, that the city of seattle,
or subburbs, would start paying for a new arena?? why then and not
now?)

when it is all said and done, it will be you and other nervous nellies
who will have to take off your tin foil hats.

but go ahead, believe what you want. It doesn't matter to me that
you're generally wrong about things.

Swillabrew wrote:

Then there was Allen's guy that said they did not want to move the team but would have to look at
other options...


Build a new arena in a much bigger market, or buy back the 10 year old RG for more than he invested
to start with or live with the losses under the current ownership....



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