For the savings i feel we would be better off with Zaun and using the
savings from Bennies contract to either put towards shoring up Vernon for a
long term or spend it on another area of the team ,, as good as Bennies
been , Greg , i feel , has the better attitude and can do just as well as
Bennie at the plate and behind it.

As for the middle of the field ,, wow , Johnny Mac has done wonders ,, he
and Hill are really coming together ,, what to do with Adams now ,,trade
bait , back up fielder ,,another position altogether??

What will the Jays look like next year? How would you like them to look ,,
The outfield looks solid with Cat , Johnson , Wells and Rios ,,that is as
long as they can keep VW happy. If not ,, do a blockbuster over the winter
with him at the centerpiece ,, but for what ,, an arm , a bat ,

LouisG wrote:


Bennies gone at 7 mil nest year theres no way they're going to keep
him. Ricciardi will probably open the vault, like he did with Towers,
for Marcum or Dustin McGowen.

Adams might be good for shark bait. Who would want him?


All indications suggest Toronto is the last place VW wants to play. My
guess is JP will trade him to Seattle for Joel Pineiro and Willie
Bloomquist. After he fires Ernie Whit, who is obviously responsible for
the disappointing season, Godfrey will give him a handjob and a
contract extention through 2030.

I personally would like them to have a new look at GM but that's not
happening in my lifetime.
But as long as D'Angelo owns the Orioles and TB keeps it's payroll down
the Jays have a lock on third.

"LouisG" <imnot@home.com> wrote in message
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That's some very interesting punctuation.

"Lobster" <nochance@diespammer.com> wrote in message
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that's a very profound contribution.





--
I never read email at the Yahoo address!

Yeah, well, the total decline of spelling, punctuation and grammar on the
net and in life in general bothers me. I'm not perfect, and I try not to
get too bent out of shape, but new forms of bad form sometimes make me speak
up.

Wells is gone next year. But that's okay because an outfield of Johnson,
Catalanatto and Rios is good enough for a 4th place team =)

Lobster wrote:

Yes, you and mediocre minds worldwide.

"Language is not an abstract construction of the learned, or of
dictionary makers, but is something arising out of the work, needs,
ties, joys, affections, tastes, of long generations of humanity, and
has its bases broad and low, close to the ground."
-- Noah Webster

DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of
a language and making it hard and inelastic.
-- Ambrose Bierce

LEXICOGRAPHER, n. A pestilent fellow who, under the pretense of
recording some particular stage in the development of a language, does
what he can to arrest its growth, stiffen its flexibility and mechanize
its methods.
-- Ambrose Bierce

"LouisG" <imnot@home.com> wrote in message
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Zaun - 0.37 runs per game;0.38 rbis per game;0.362 obp;0.444 slg
Bennie - 0.36 runs per game;0.45rbis per game;0.313 obp;0.443 slg

Fielding percentages are almost identical, however I'm not sure I would rank
that as important. Runners stealing vs caught stealing and passed balls
seems much more important.

Zaun - 0.007 passed ball / inning; 38% throwing out runners stealing
Bennie - 0.014 passed ball / inning; 23% throwing out runners stealing
(the stealing stat is based on the CS / SB columns on the mlb.com stat
site - not sure if that's actually accurate - those numbers seem low to me)



While the offense numbers are similar I think the defense is tilted toward
Zaun. He brings intensity and a switch hitting bat. I can't comment on
intensity/leadership for Molina because I haven't seen any of it nor can I
comment on Zaun's leadership abilities.
For the money, my guy would be Zaun, without question. Molina has been a
disappointment to me this year. I was hoping for much better things. (i.e.
batting average and RBIs) I was hoping he'd have better numbers than last
year. I don't think he's worth the money he's making when the Jays have a
comparable catcher behind him.
Molina is making over 4 times what Zaun is. I don't think it's worth it.



I think with the middle infield of McDonald and Hill the Jays are solid
defensively with the potential for a good offensive year from one of them
(Hill - obviously).
1st and 3rd are no brainers. Catching I'd like to see Zaun with Phillips as
the backup.

If the Jays can trade Wells for some pitching, that's what I'd like to try
and shore up.

Cat - Johnson - Rios in the outfield. (if Cat signs)


As far as pitching goes, the Jays have the best pitcher in all of baseball,
IMO. They need some arms to back him up. Is Burnett making the turn to
greatness?
I assume Lilly will be gone somehow.
The bullpen seems to be turning around somewhat.
I'm not sure who is out there for trade or FA signings but that would be my
area of concentration in the off-season.

I hope 2007 turns out better than 2006 with the money being spent on this
team.

"Lobster" <nochance@diespammer.com> wrote in
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an english teacher in the group ,,great

"Quirk" <quirk@syntac.net> wrote in
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okay , am i being chastised , or supported ,, my punctuation isn't that
great , or my gramma , but this is after all just a little place on the
earth to post about baseball and not get an English lesson isn't it??
man just can't get away from the assholes ,, and i'm not implying that of
you Quirk

"Rich" <rkozub@sentex.net> wrote in
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That's what i felt ,, that Zaun , making a lot less than Bennie , would
be just as good behind the plate as #1 next year ,even though i didn't
have the stats that you provide , that and the way he's spoken up
throughout the year for the club , especially during the Shea blow up ,
he's also stated that he would like to end his career with the Jays. Not
since Ernie / Buck , have i seen a catcher that had his team first and
formost than Greg ,,he might not be a Piazza , Pudge , Porsada , but he
is worth hanging onto and spending the extra saved by cutting Bennie
loose on another position.
I'd hate to see VW go , but if he and someone else packaged up for one
good/great arm would be worth it ,, the outfield that we have could tide
us by for a few years. Only would need someone to spell Cat in the
outfield , he'd be the only one i'd be worried about for a full year in
the field.


Roy is a given ,, i'd give him all the money he wants ,, if Gus can get
back on the ball ,no pun intended , and keep healthy , and if AJ can
begin his year like the end of this one is turning out for him , the
starting pitching could be pretty good ,, that and leaving Markum in the
5th spot ,, all we need is a 4th to offset loosing Lilly. The bullpen
just has to be utilized better than Gibby is using them right now ,,
trotting out a guy day in and day out for only one batter is just nuts ,
give them at least an inning or two.

If not ,, then time for JP to go somewhere else.
The jurys still out on Gibby at this end ,,