Dan Patrick interviewed Peter Gammons today.

Gammons believes the Albert Pujols should get the NL MVP. Dan Patrick agreed
and was of the opinion the Howard doesn't deserve because he has accumulated
far too many strikeouts.

A quote from Gammons regarding the Cardinals recent woes, "It may be one of
the greatest collapses, but it's amazing they're there in the first place."

How true!

You can't really qualify as having engineered a "great collapse" unless you
have first obtained something you are completely deserving of. The Cardinals
have staggered through the the entire season. Pujols has put this team on
his back and carried them from day one and, in the waning moments of the
season, he continues to do so.

I don't see how any player could be more valuable to their team than Albert
Pujols was to the Cardinals this season. You take Pujols out of the lineup
and we are easily a 4th place team, at best.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

David Emerling wrote:


i know i'm not supposed to do those "i completely agree posts", but i
completely agree.

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Pujols has 25 GWRBIs, 19 by HRs alone.
Take those 25 game-wins away, and the standings look like this today
instead of the present StL record 81-76 .516 and 1.5 GA:


NL Central

Team W L Pct GB

Hou 80 78 .506 ...
Cin 78 80 .494 2
Mil 73 85 .462 7
Pit 65 93 .411 15
Chi 65 94 .409 15.5
StL 56 101 .357 23.5

David Emerling wrote:


That there's even a discussion on this topic is amazing to me. Pujols
is a man playing among boys. To put up the numbers he does when most
teams are pitching around him puts him in a class by himself.

David Emerling wrote:

Lance is being awfully quiet on this thread. Shouldn't Lance be
spouting his mantra of strikeouts not being important?


Probably, but the Cardinals did have a good record in the games Pujols
was disabled. The team, especially Encarnacion, stepped up and played
hard, maintaining the good pace we had at the time.

Howard is going to win the award because sportwriters are enamored with
huge home run (and RBI) totals.

David Emerling wrote:

I DONTGIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE MVP ...WHY SHOULD ANYONE ??????
they only pay for winning the divisions and the World
Series....sheeeshh.

"The curse of Danny Boy still rules the air waves" <fastpitstops@aol.com>
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I care because if things keep going like they're going, it may be the only
remnant of this season worth taking pride in - as miniscule as it is.

And, you're right - it *is* miniscule in comparison.

The objective of the Cardinal organization is *not* to produce individual
award winners.

Good point.

David Emerling
Memphis, TN

TJ-BF wrote:


Taking your analysis at face value, that is a remarkable measure of one
player's value to his team. It tells us a lot about Pujols value, and
tells us a lot about how dismal the rest of the team has performed.
Pujols spares us finishing 8 games behind the Cubs!? Egads!

Stratbat

On 28 Sep 2006 19:24:36 -0700, "Terry Lomax" <Lomax47@hotmail.com>
gave us:

You're too simplistic to understand it, Ahti, but for the purposes of
determing MVP, strikeouts shouldn't be part of the discussion.
They're outs period. If you're trying to determine who you might want
to be at the plate in a defined situation, however, they are a
relevant consideration.

Now that I've answered your question, how about answering a few of
mine, some of which you've been dodging for nearly a year now.

How long does a person have to live in an area in order to no longer
be considered by you to be a "transient"? Should people be restricted
to some geographical radius surrounding their birthplace? If so, how
many miles would such a radius extend?

Are you a socialist? Do you believe in a caste system, and, if so,
which class do you belong to?

What events in your past have led you to be so bitter about your lack
of upward mobility in life?

I look forward to your responses, Ahti.

--
Lance

"There are three-hundred thousand sportswriters
and they're all against me. Every one of them."
-- Joaquin Andujar

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stratbat wrote:

Actually we'd be even farther back. Some of those game-winners were
against NL Central teams, so the other teams would have more wins. For
example, Pujols hit one off Lidge this season, didn't he? That's at
least one more win for Houston.