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10-03-2006, 12:25 AM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
the reason the reds did not make the post season is because the do not
score runs anymore. they get shut out constantly. most people who post in this group seem to think the reds position players are preety much set, except for short stop. but they need to make several moves. 
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#2
10-03-2006, 01:23 AM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
Shawn Robertson wrote:
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They didn't make the postseason because they didn't score more runs than their opponents? Damn, I wonder why no one else noticed that...
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#3
10-03-2006, 04:21 AM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
"Shawn Robertson" <spr27@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:15261-4521ADDE-609@storefull-3318.bay.webtv.net... Quote:
Well I don't think they are set. I think the chances of Dunn being a Red are 50/50 at best. So if they trade him, I think it could reverberate throughout the Reds roster. They would definitely trade Griffey, but they can't.
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#4
10-03-2006, 05:11 AM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
Here's some notes on the Reds final stats as you mull possible off season
moves... Cincinnati finished 3rd in all of MLB with 217 HR (Behind 2 other teams that didn't make the playoffs either - the White Sox and the Braves) Of those 217 dingers, 132 were solo jacks (61% - the higest pct. of solo HR in baseball). They ranked dead last in the NL in average with runners in scoring position (.243) and only the Tampa Bay Devil Rays were worse. With 2 out and RISP their average plummeted to .208, again 29th out of 30 MLB teams. The 94 RBI they got from the "cleanup" spot was 3rd lowest in all of baseball. On the pitching front they were t-5th for most blown saves. But what really hurts is the fact that they're horrible in the field. 128 errors were the 2nd most in MLB and 70 of those allowed a batter to reach and extend an inning (70 was tied for most with the Angels and the Dodgers) Errors by Position 1B - 7 (8th fewest) 2B - 19 (3rd most) (Phillips 16, T-5th most) SS - 26 (8th most) (6th most before the Nats trade, 9th afterward) 3B - 29 (Most) (Encarnacion 25, T-most) OF - 26 (3rd most) C - 17 (2nd most) P - 4 (fewest) OK - all that said, how does Wayne fix it?
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#5
10-03-2006, 12:19 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
"None" <chyronop@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:kimUg.12580$7I1.1471@newssvr27.news.prodigy.n et... Quote:
I made this argument in spring training and got lambasted here for it.
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#6
10-03-2006, 01:18 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
On Tue, 3 Oct 2006, jd wrote:
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And we want to move him to shortstop? I'd like to see Castro get a shot at shortstop. How old is he? I think he might me in his mid-30's so maybe not. The guy didn't embarass himself at the plate this year. Quote:
Going strictly from the stats, move the pitcher to shortstop.
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#7
10-03-2006, 02:29 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
"None" <chyronop@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Outside of errors, most of the club has the range of a water buffalo. That's part of what really hurts. Quote:
They need a shortstop. It would be nice to get a shortstop that could hit. They need to move Junior out of centerfield. They take care of those problems and a lot will go right next year. dfs
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#8
10-03-2006, 06:38 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
"David Short" <David.no.Short@Wright.spam.Edu.please> wrote in message news:efts63$mhc$1@posting.glorb.com... Quote:
Nobody, beside Freel and maybe Phillips, has above average range. [Pure WAG on my part, but lay back and close your eyes and visualize ...] [Dnorfia as well, but he isn't regular]
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#9
10-03-2006, 07:00 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
"stebain" <stebain@NOTTHISPARTwoh.rr.com> wrote in message
news:d6yUg.7799$OE1.5692@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com... Quote:
Edwin. He gets to balls. His problem is with his arm. It's mechanical and should get better. IIRC something like 25 of his 29 errors have been on throws. Phillips has range. He pushes too hard sometimes and that causes him errors and then on the flip side, sometimes he gets errors by doggin it. As you note, range in the outfield for Freel or Denorfia isn't a problem, but then I don't expect either of them will be starting for this franchise regularly any time soon. dfs
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#10
10-04-2006, 08:13 PM
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it was not the pitching, it was the offense.
On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:38:01 GMT, "stebain"
<stebain@NOTTHISPARTwoh.rr.com> wrote: Quote:
On those occasions when Edwin Encarnacion visited Buffalo as a member of the Bats, it seemed to me that he had pretty good range, especially going to his left. The problem was that he had an erratic arm. Strong, but erratic. I saw more than one play where he had no play but instead of just holding the ball, uncorked a rushed throw that got away. I didn't get to watch enough Reds games this year to get a good handle on how he looked in the majors, but that's how it seemed when he was in AAA. With Freel, he's been in the bigs longer and I've seen more major league games with him playing (than I have with Encarnacion out there)...I'd say Freel gets pretty good jumps on balls, especially laterally, but I think he has a below average arm as an outfielder. His arm seems average as an infielder, but...I dunno, every time I've seen him play 2B he's seemed to be (for lack of a better word) stiff (by which I mean to say that he seems to me to lack the fluidity of movement that the best of them have - not that he *is* a stiff). From watching Phillips at AAA Buffalo,at both short and 2B he showed range that was astonishing at times. He would sometimes rush throws on close plays, but that kind of thing should be correctable with coaching. At least he plays under control, and he plays the ball instead of letting the ball play him. This last point was a problem with Fe-Lo at times. Truth be told, I think the Reds will end up moving Phillips to short, simply because it'll probably be easier for Wayne Krivsky to find another 2B than a SS during the offseason. John D, Kasupski, Tonawanda, NY Reds Fan Since The 1960's http://kc2hmz.net
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