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Old 10-05-2006, 08:24 PM
Gregg Pearlman Gregg Pearlman is offline
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How do you folks feel about Win Shares? I'd barely looked into them at
all, since I didn't wanna spend $200 (or whatever) for the book, and to
me they seem insanely hard to calculate (in the sense of having to track
down buttloads of data), but are they a worthwhile measure?

Gregg
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Old 10-05-2006, 09:10 PM
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I saw a show the other day on Sabermetrics (or however it's spelled).
In some cases, there was a little more clarification but for the most
part, it was as clear as mud. Apparently, with win shares, there's a
non-quantifiable element involved, which seems go fly in the face of
"measure."

So, I'm sure there's something to it, but, like you, it's not a concept
I've been willing to pore over.

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How do you folks feel about Win Shares? I'd barely looked into them at all, since I didn't wanna spend $200 (or whatever) for the book, and to me they seem insanely hard to calculate (in the sense of having to track down buttloads of data), but are they a worthwhile measure? Gregg


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Old 10-05-2006, 09:51 PM
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Don Tootin' wrote:
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I saw a show the other day on Sabermetrics (or however it's spelled). In some cases, there was a little more clarification but for the most part, it was as clear as mud. Apparently, with win shares, there's a non-quantifiable element involved, which seems go fly in the face of "measure."


Oh. Super.
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So, I'm sure there's something to it, but, like you, it's not a concept I've been willing to pore over.


Mebbe it's not much more than another entry in the endless search for a
single number to rate everybody. What I have seen online (today, anyway)
are a number of folks using them in "WS/x"-type calculations. I'm not
sure how helpful those would be. I'm game, though.

Gregg
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Old 10-05-2006, 10:08 PM
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On Oct 5, 2:51 pm, Gregg Pearlman <EEEEE...@EEEEEEgp.com> wrote:
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Don Tootin' wrote:
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I saw a show the other day on Sabermetrics (or however it's spelled). In some cases, there was a little more clarification but for the most part, it was as clear as mud. Apparently, with win shares, there's a non-quantifiable element involved, which seems go fly in the face of "measure."Oh. Super. So, I'm sure there's something to it, but, like you, it's not a concept I've been willing to pore over.Mebbe it's not much more than another entry in the endless search for a
single number to rate everybody. What I have seen online (today, anyway) are a number of folks using them in "WS/x"-type calculations. I'm not sure how helpful those would be. I'm game, though.


Who cares about Win Shares when you got VORP!

;-)

- Peter

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Old 10-05-2006, 10:15 PM
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:24:07 GMT, Gregg Pearlman <EEEEEEgp@EEEEEEgp.com>
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How do you folks feel about Win Shares?


Keeping in mind that I know absolutely nothing about them, I reserve the
right to think they're utterly useless.
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Old 10-06-2006, 12:21 AM
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"Peter Lawrence" <hummbaby@aol.com> wrote in message
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Who cares about Win Shares when you got VORP!


Does it stand for: Veterans, Old, Really Pathetic? That seems to
describe the Giants really well.


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Old 10-06-2006, 12:22 AM
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How do you folks feel about Win Shares? I'd barely looked into them at all, since I didn't wanna spend $200 (or whatever) for the book, and

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me they seem insanely hard to calculate (in the sense of having to

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down buttloads of data), but are they a worthwhile measure?


With the negative mindset of this ng in general, I think it's more
appropriate to look into "lose shares". Maybe you can look into it and
write a piece about it. It'd be interesting to see how much Feliz, or
Benitez, or Wright, etc., was responsible for the Giants' losses. Who
would lead the Giants in lose shares?


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Old 10-06-2006, 01:08 AM
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Peter Lawrence wrote:
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On Oct 5, 2:51 pm, Gregg Pearlman <EEEEE...@EEEEEEgp.com> wrote:
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Don Tootin' wrote:
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I saw a show the other day on Sabermetrics (or however it's spelled).In some cases, there was a little more clarification but for the mostpart, it was as clear as mud. Apparently, with win shares, there's anon-quantifiable element involved, which seems go fly in the face of"measure."Oh. Super.So, I'm sure there's something to it, but, like you, it's not a conceptI've been willing to pore over.Mebbe it's not much more than another entry in the endless search for a
single number to rate everybody. What I have seen online (today, anyway)are a number of folks using them in "WS/x"-type calculations. I'm notsure how helpful those would be. I'm game, though.
Who cares about Win Shares when you got VORP!


But I don't *have* VORP!

Gregg
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Old 10-06-2006, 01:10 AM
Gregg Pearlman Gregg Pearlman is offline
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Greg Lentz wrote:
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On Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:24:07 GMT, Gregg Pearlman <EEEEEEgp@EEEEEEgp.com> wrote:
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How do you folks feel about Win Shares?
Keeping in mind that I know absolutely nothing about them, I reserve the right to think they're utterly useless.


Fair enough. That'll teach them.

Gregg
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Old 10-06-2006, 05:44 AM
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Gregg said:
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Who cares about Win Shares when you gotVORP!
But I don't *have* VORP!


Nor do I. In fact, I believe much of the world is VORP-deprived,
especially certain countries in Africa.

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