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Posted on Fri, Oct. 06, 2006
New offense fits Dunleavy's style Nelson will use him as a power forward and exploit his point guard skills, something Montgomery and Musselman avoided By Geoff Lepper CONTRA COSTA TIMES OAKLAND - In November of 1991, Don Nelson acquired from the Sacramento Kings what many people thought would be the prototypical power forward for his up-tempo scheme. Billy Owens was a 6-foot-8, 220-pounder who was supposed to be able to handle like a point guard but rebound and defend with the best of the NBA's big men. Longtime Warriors fans know how that worked out: Owens spent three seasons in a Golden State uniform, earning his keep but never quite living up to the advance billing and, most damningly, failing to lift the club out of the first round of the Western Conference playoffs. Meanwhile, Mitch Richmond -- the player who was shipped out in exchange for Owens -- collected six All-Star berths as a King, prompting Nelson to dub the trade "the dumbest move I ever made." Fifteen years later, Nelson may have finally found the player he had hoped Owens would be. And that couldn't have happened a moment too soon for Mike Dunleavy. Last October, Dunleavy began his fourth NBA season on the high of signing a five-year, $45 million contract extension and ended it on the low of being booed by Arena fans for his inability to be the single-minded shooter Mike Montgomery wanted. Having grown up as a point guard -- until his height dictated a move to the frontcourt -- Dunleavy has always felt he could run an offense. And at Monday's media day, he didn't exactly spare the feelings of either Montgomery or Eric Musselman, saying of his two previous pro coaches that, "I never really felt like I was being used the right way, plain and simple." Nelson, on the other hand, "sees the type of player I am and the way I play, the way I think." Dunleavy spent much of last season trolling along the perimeter and waiting to take a jumper off a kick-out pass from a teammate. The only problem: Dunleavy converted only 28.5 percent of his attempts from behind the 3-point line, the worst figure of his four-year NBA career. "The only thing I've been disappointed in is that I haven't been making as many open shots as I'd like to, because that's where they were putting me, in a position to spread the floor and shoot 3-pointers," Dunleavy said. "But I need to do other things, because when those shots aren't falling, it's just one-dimensional. To be able to handle the ball a little bit more and be more involved would be good." Dunleavy should have no qualms about his level of involvement with the Warriors offense this year. With Troy Murphy moving to center, the Warriors' other options at power forward -- Zarko Cabarkapa and Ike Diogu -- don't offer nearly the kind of versatility that Nelson and executive vice president Chris Mullin envision getting from Dunleavy, who will initiate the offense on at least a part-time basis. "I think Dunleavy's going to do really well in our system," Nelson said. "I'll be surprised if he doesn't. ... That's a unique ability, to play a point guard at a power forward position. I don't know who's ever done that. I've never had a guy who can do that." Said point guard Baron Davis: "Mike Dunleavy, I believe in him, and I think that Coach Nelson is the guy that's going to push him over the top." Nelson gave Dunleavy a nudge in that direction by naming him as one of the Warriors' three captains this season. "He's somebody who has a great basketball IQ, and he's going to know where everybody is on the floor and where they're supposed to be," Murphy said. "If I'm confused on something like that, I'm going to ask him. He's always got the answers." So far in training camp, Dunleavy hasn't cracked the list of players who have stood out, in Nelson's mind. "It's not necessarily a comfortable thing, something new for him," Nelson said. "I think he'll stand out when he gets more comfortable doing what I need him to do. ... "He'll have a lot of opportunities to do well here. Let's hope that he does." Notes: Former UCLA and Georgia coach Jim Harrick, who is now running the show for the Bakersfield Jam -- Golden State's new affiliate in the NBA D-League -- was in attendance, checking out potential players. The Warriors did not utilize the NBADL option last season, something Harrick would be happy to see change. "I don't think the NBA has ever got into the mind-set of sending guys down," Harrick said. "And this is the thing we want to impress upon them -- we want to help them, help the guys who aren't getting any minutes on their team." ... Cabarkapa sat out Thursday's sessions after spraining his right ankle during Wednesday night's practice and is considered day to day. |
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> So far in training camp, Dunleavy hasn't cracked the list of players
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Uh oh. Who's he gonna blame it on if this doesn't work out? -- Pat email: remove UN |
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Robin Miller wrote: Quote:
I hope this article is not correct. With Murphy moving to center? I guess having zero low post offense from the front court and no interior defense is the plan now? Not that there was any last year. I suppose at least Murph can catch and dunk off Baron's passes, something Adonal never learned how to do. But who is going to score in the post? JRICH? Rizzo |
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Frank Rizzo wrote:
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Frank, I read it somewhere (can't remember where since I read so many things lately) but it probably will either be Mitch or Timmy (I mean JRich or Baron.... ![]() Seriously, this is so Nellie. Having your PG/SG posting up instead of your traditional 4/5 guy doing it. I'm curious how Ike fits into all of this. I have a feeling that Wagner and Ike will be the first ones off the bench for the W's. Wagner is a gunner and Ike can backup Murphy at the center position. I think Ike will get his share of minutes because he can shot from outside too (maybe not 3 point range) and has some post up game. The 8 man rotation would appear to me be: Baron, JRich, Monta, Dun, Murphy, Ike, Wagner, Pietrus THe other 4 players will play spot minutes but I think generally it will be: Zarko (for his offensive skills), Andres/Adonal (backup centers) and one guard to backup Baron. Don |
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" I hope this article is not correct. With Murphy moving to center? I guess having zero low post offense from the front court and no interior defense is the plan now? Not that there was any last year. I suppose at least Murph can catch and dunk off Baron's passes, something Adonal never learned how to do. But who is going to score in the post? JRICH?" I don't think Nellie wants any low post offense. I think he want's to exploit big players lack of speed. Dunleavy should be able to take most PF's off the dribble. Hopefully. The only reason for having Murphy at center would be to draw the center out of the key so our gaurds and SF can slash to the rim. Should be interesting to see. Anyone know when the first preseason game will be televised? |
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Baker wrote:
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Remember that Larry Smith was a PF until Nellie came along, and then he played center frequently. And of course, Mullin was a guard until Nellie moved him to SF. In the first go-around of Nellie-ball, it wasn't uncommon to see him playing what was essentially 4 guards (counting Mullin as a guard) and a center (either Larry Smith or Manute Bol). Neither Smith nor Bol were exactly low-post centers. Remember with Nellie, he's always looking for mismatches to exploit. The games I'm interested in seeing are going to be the ones with Phoenix. As for Dunleavy, maybe Nellie's system is exactly what he needs, where Nellie can build around his specific strengths (even if they're not typical -- e.g., a "point power forward"). By the same token, perhaps this was part of Monty's failings, in trying to force players into predefined roles, even if they weren't really suited for it. I'm cautiously optimistic that this might be the time we finally get the breakout year from Dunleavy, with him playing in a system that emphasizes his specific strengths. Smith |
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NFN Smith <worldoff9908@sacbeemail.com> wrote:
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Regardless of whether this is the team Nellie really wants, we can only hope that he brings out the best in these guys so that some of them are at least valuable in a trade. One of the worst things about the Montgomery regime was the way that formerly valuable assets (notably Pietrus and Dunleavy) became worth less (or worthless, depending on your point of view). Maybe if those guys can show something, Mullin can move some of them for the pieces he's missing. |
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On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 07:25:52 -0500, Robin Miller <Not_My@Real_Address.com>
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Talk about hyperbole. Owens is one of the few people that Dunleavy can shoot better than, but Owens' floor game was far superior to Dunleavy's. At least as a Warrior. Quote:
Depends on which offense he's running. If all he has to do is pass it low to Ike Diogu, he can do that. Can he drive and dish like Baron? Absolutely not. Quote:
Nothing like letting a high school point guard run your NBA team. The whole problem with his career is that he's never let go of the notion that he's a point guard. Quote:
Yeah, it would really suck to have a better shooter and a guy who can score low like Ike when we can have a soft player who bricks open shots and can't finish in a crowd around the rim. I guarantee you this. The point power forward experiment will be over before the end of 2006 and Ike will be in the starting lineup. Quote:
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And he won't ever, aside from the odd good game here and there. -- Greg Lentz |
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On 6 Oct 2006 09:27:25 -0700, "Frank Rizzo" <champ91917@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Actually, it's been well publicized long before this article that Murphy will play center with Dunleavy at PF. Quote:
Yep. He and Baron are going to be on the baseline. They're going to invert their offense in the halfcourt and run up-tempo as much as possible. -- Greg Lentz |
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On 6 Oct 2006 09:45:23 -0700, "Baker" <bribaker22@yahoo.com> wrote:
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According to the website, there are no televised preseason games, although usually there's at least one on NBA TV. http://www.nba.com/warriors/schedule/index.html -- Greg Lentz |
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