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Old 10-06-2006, 07:56 PM
Wayne Alan Simon Wayne Alan Simon is offline
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Default Clemens cost Houston the playoffs.

Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to
some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out
just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns
in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs.
And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you Roger. Are you
going to retire again for the 5th time!


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Old 10-06-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Clemens cost Houston the playoffs.


Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
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Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs. And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you Roger. Are you going to retire again for the 5th time!


Know who else has a huge head? David Wells. Looks like a fucking
pumpkin painted white. What an ugly bastard. He should grow some hair
to cover it.

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Old 10-06-2006, 08:57 PM
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Default Clemens cost Houston the playoffs.

> Dr. Wayne Simon wrote:
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Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs. And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you Roger. Are you going to retire again for the 5th time!


That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's still
a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the
difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were an
Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for that.
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Old 10-06-2006, 11:39 PM
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote: Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs. And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you

Roger.
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Are you going to retire again for the 5th time! That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's still a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were an Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for that.


True, but remember in the 1st few months of the season the steroids
attention was at its height; he had to let the steroids focus die down
before he came back.


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Old 10-07-2006, 04:49 AM
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"TheDaveŠ" <no@no.com> wrote in message
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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote: Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs. And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you Roger. Are you going to retire again for the 5th time! That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's still a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were an Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for that.


As it turns out the point becomes very important in hindsite, but I can
remember having discussions, (not in here) that if the Astros come close to
the wild card or the division, how much will Clemens standoff behavior
effect that finish.


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Old 10-08-2006, 06:08 AM
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I find it highly suspicious that Clemens sat out for that long....just
long enough ofr a cycle of 'Roids to pass through him. Why doesn't
anyone talk about that??

dlew


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Dr. Wayne Simon wrote: Clemens, and his overly large head, whether it be natural, or due to some hormonal aberration either natural or exogenous, had to sit out just long enough to sign with Houston, so he would miss a few turns in the rotation. A good chance that cost Houston a trip to the playoffs. And people think Bonds has a big head. Thank-you
Roger.
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Are you going to retire again for the 5th time! That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's still a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were an Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for that.
True, but remember in the 1st few months of the season the steroids attention was at its height; he had to let the steroids focus die down before he came back.


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Old 10-08-2006, 11:47 AM
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<DLew022@gmail.com> wrote in message
Ah...I'm not really here wrote:
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That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's

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a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were

an
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Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for

that.
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True, but remember in the 1st few months of the season the steroids attention was at its height; he had to let the steroids focus die

down
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before he came back.I find it highly suspicious that Clemens sat out for that long....justlong enough ofr a cycle of 'Roids to pass through him. Why doesn'tanyone talk about that??


I've been saying that since March. The guy was all ready to start the
season, even pitched in that World League thingy for warmup, then
suddenly decided to sit out, after the Book of Shadow mess came up. But
as far as nobody talking about it, for one thing, he's white (small
factor), but the main reason is he doesn't give the media the finger
like Bonds does.


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<DLew022@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ah...I'm not really here wrote:
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> That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's
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> a valid point. As it turns out, he could very well have made the> difference had he not played games and signed earlier. If I were
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> Astro player, manager, owner, or fan, I'd be pissed at him for
that.
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True, but remember in the 1st few months of the season the steroids attention was at its height; he had to let the steroids focus die
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before he came back.I find it highly suspicious that Clemens sat out for that long....justlong enough ofr a cycle of 'Roids to pass through him. Why doesn'tanyone talk about that??
I've been saying that since March. The guy was all ready to start the season, even pitched in that World League thingy for warmup,


....which had testing at least as serious as MLB testing (and IIRC in
fact more so).

JHB
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"TheDaveŠ" <no@no.com> wrote in message > >> That's the kind of thing you can only say in hindsight, but it's
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the
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steroids
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> before he came back.I find it highly suspicious that Clemens sat out for that

long....just
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long enough ofr a cycle of 'Roids to pass through him. Why doesn'tanyone talk about that?? I've been saying that since March. The guy was all ready to start

the
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season, even pitched in that World League thingy for warmup, ...which had testing at least as serious as MLB testing (and IIRC in fact more so).


"as serious as MLB testing". I got a laugh out of that. ;-)

Well, I don't think it was the testing that got Clemens sitting out.
I'm sure he was pretty confident he'd pass that with flying colors, just
like Grimsely or Bonds. But he was probably trying to avoid all the
heavy steroids attention at the time, the league threatening to
seriously investigate the matter, etc. 'Course, that's just my opinion.
There's a chance he could be clean. But I'd really like to see the real
list of players that Grimsley named. With the numbers that Clemens put
up last year, the sitting out this year, and the Grimsley list, it
doesn't look good for him.


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