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Old 10-07-2006, 11:35 PM
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money.

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Old 10-07-2006, 11:38 PM
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"McDuck" <wallymcduckDELETEME@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Apparently, they don't have enough money!


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Old 10-07-2006, 11:49 PM
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money. -McDuck
Apparently, they don't have enough money!

Apparently, there ain't enough money in the world...oh yeah...and there IS a
God. And She's had it with Steinbrenner.

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Old 10-08-2006, 01:18 AM
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McDuck wrote:
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money. -McDuck


$225 mil minimum next year...

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Old 10-08-2006, 02:01 AM
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"Dano" <janeanddano@yahoo.com> wrote in
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money. -McDuck
Apparently, they don't have enough money!
Apparently, there ain't enough money in the world...oh yeah...and there IS a God. And She's had it with Steinbrenner.


Let's hope the firings start tomorrow. To quote 8958 from Sole Survivor,
"Isn't this fun?"
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:02 AM
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McDuck wrote:
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money. -McDuck
$225 mil minimum next year...


Not George's way. It will be 250 at least. They need a better class of
multimillionaire.
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Old 10-08-2006, 02:07 AM
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The problem? I think they did not spend enough money. -McDuck
$225 mil minimum next year...
Not George's way. It will be 250 at least. They need a better class of multimillionaire.


Yeah, a better class of losers!


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Old 10-08-2006, 05:56 PM
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McDuck wrote:> The problem? I think they did not spend enough money.>> -McDuck $225 mil minimum next year...
Not George's way. It will be 250 at least. They need a better class of multimillionaire.
Yeah, a better class of losers!


Ironicly, they've become what people of accused the Red Sox of back in the
60's and 70's: A team of overpaid prima dona individualists.

I exclude a few players like Jeter and Posada from that. (Both home-grown,
IIRC) In the face of obvious defeat yesaterday, they fought just as hard
as they ever did.
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Old 10-08-2006, 08:51 PM
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 17:56:55 GMT, OceanView <me@TheSea.com> quacked:
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"scotsman" <ptwindmill@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1160270284.594498.29860 @b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:>> McDuck wrote:>> The problem? I think they did not spend enough money.>>>> -McDuck>> $225 mil minimum next year...>> Not George's way. It will be 250 at least. They need a better class of multimillionaire.
Yeah, a better class of losers!
Ironicly, they've become what people of accused the Red Sox of back in the60's and 70's: A team of overpaid prima dona individualists. I exclude a few players like Jeter and Posada from that. (Both home-grown,IIRC) In the face of obvious defeat yesaterday, they fought just as hardas they ever did.


It is rare to have stars who are not prima donas these days, so, in
that respect, NYY is blessed to have a few stars who are not. The RS
had a couple --- Ortiz and Pedro --- but now Pedro is gone. Also Tek,
but he is not really a star.

The NYY team this year is like the RS teams of the early 1960s and
1950s and 1970s in one important respect --- inadequate SP. Prima
donas are fine for winning ball games. What is important is their
performance on the field, not off the field. But it is not so easy to
win in the playoffs without good pitching. The Mets seem to be the
exception <g>.

-McDuck
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Old 10-08-2006, 10:25 PM
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McDuck venit, vidit, et dixit:

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It is rare to have stars who are not prima donas these days, so, in that respect, NYY is blessed to have a few stars who are not. The RS had a couple --- Ortiz and Pedro --- but now Pedro is gone.


Although I don't hold with what I take to be the plurality view, I
submit that you'll find more people who would describe Martinez as
a "prima dona" (or even "donna") than would describe him as "humble
and hardworking," for whatever you think that's worth.
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Also Tek, but he is not really a star.


He also wears a big red "C" on his uniform, going against any
tradition in baseball of which I'm aware (although that may simply
speak to my ignorance of the history of captains in baseball).
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The NYY team this year is like the RS teams of the early 1960s and 1950s and 1970s in one important respect --- inadequate SP. Prima donas are fine for winning ball games. What is important is their performance on the field, not off the field. But it is not so easy to win in the playoffs without good pitching. The Mets seem to be the exception <g>.


Those 70s Red Sox teams had a lot better pitching than you'd think.
Much of what you might think was bad pitching was really park illusion.

AL rank in runs allowed per game in road games:
1975: 2nd
1976: 3rd
1977: 2nd
1978: 3rd
1979: 4th

AL rank in ERA+:
1975: 5th
1976: 1st
1977: 3rd-tie
1978: 1st
1979: 2nd

Fenway park factors (105 means offense was inflated roughly 5%):
1975: 108 (highest in league -- 2nd-highest was Det's 106)
1976: 111 (highest in league -- 2nd-highest was Det's 105)
1977: 111 (highest in league -- 2nd-highest was Det's 106)
1978: 109 (highest in league -- 2nd-highest was Tor's 104)
1979: 105 (highest in league -- 2nd-highest was Min's 104)

That's not meant as a "gotcha" or anything -- it's just something I
noticed a couple of months ago. Although it didn't surprise me to
learn that the pitching was better than it looked, I had no idea
that the park factors had so dramatic an effect as they apparently
had.

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